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Nevi wrote: so, nobody can fault them for that...but we dont have those $multi million budgets..so, finding reasonable coders is in a word 'difficult'.
Would you work for someone else for less than your worth (assuming you're not in dire need of money)? If not, methinks you ought to consider a new strategy.
I mean really, if you want the best, you gotta pay for it. That's how it works with anything in life, not just programmers.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Would you work for someone else for less than your worth
well, to be fair I think he was mostly commenting on how difficult it is to find the high end programmers, I am sure he could not afford me, especially not recently. But I think he misjudges the games too. They don't pay royalty to coders, you earn your way up the ladder. Still I share your skepticism as well. I can see both sides. Though it is an interesting topic, how does one find someone who actually knows their stuff? Unless you already know it all, in which case, why aren't you doing it? Just being devil's advocate. 
I am as skeptical as the next guy which was why I was fishing with narrowed eyes a bit...
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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hi
What I meant was, we're not Microsoft..I didnt say we'd not pay , or that the programmer has to work free..
'worth' is relative,and youre just the flipside of the coin that may be good,and should get what you ask.
There is the other scenario of coders that call themselves all that,and want big $$, but produce squat and fractured code.
Yes , we are asking an initial test codeset,and things I described are just a facet of what we do in our application.
So..its a weird world..you get less than your $$ worth when you get freaky fries or a day old burger..and in truth,most things in the world are a ripoff..
I will find some committed people, that can actually take a calculated leap of faith,and Im sure if you check back in a few months, you'll see that not everything in life is a ripoff or fast talking bs
I am only searching for 4..
Sorry you misunderstood the pay thing..we're not in the habit of not paying people, which is why we're around 24 years or so.
seeya
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Nevi wrote: I will find some committed people, that can actually take a calculated leap of faith,and Im sure if you check back in a few months, you'll see that not everything in life is a ripoff or fast talking bs
I hope you also realize our skepticism. You come here just recently, your only posts are to one person who obviously posted some code you liked, another asking for that persons direct contact because they didn't get back to you in time, and then another looking for additional people to hire. You don't know us, and we don't know you from Adam.
And you want code up front, for your app, not just a portfolio, at $84/hr even if I spent a few hours on your work to get a job, you are clear that you don't pay game company wages. Actually, they are pretty poor with starting rates in the teens per hour, it doesn't help the view that you want someone cheap. A game writer could make a mill with a good product, but that is from royalties, on an hour wage he probably made half mine, if the game pans out he is good to go, if it doesn't he keeps trying. I don't work for game companies, though had an offer or three over the years. But I do keep up with the market. Its my living, heck yeah I will keep up with it.
Not everything in life is a ripoff, but the people who can afford to take the time to give you the freebie parts of your application aren't always the ones you want either. Life is two sided, you know which side you are on, we know which side we are on, and everyone is trying to figure out which side the other person is on. Its more than faith, faith doesn't pay for competition gymnastics costs and houses.
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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El Corazon wrote: at $84/hr even if I spent a few hours on your work to get a job
You're pulling in $84/hour now?!!?? Nice man. Almost makes me think about going solo as well.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: You're pulling in $84/hour now?!!??
well, that includes all the costs of the company... but running it out of the house, some of those costs reduce my wage costs.... but it helps when you have the contract in hand before your company hits the ground running.
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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El Corazon wrote: but it helps when you have the contract in hand before your company hits the ground running.
Ah yeah. Well, glad it's working out for ya.
I was thinking about a solo gig too since my current company sucks pay-wise. I have an interview tomorrow though for a normal job that pays well again (for my area), so if I don't get it I may just have to put one of my domains to use and jump overboard.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: You're pulling in $84/hour now?!!?? Nice man. Almost makes me think about going solo as well.
You're worth every penny.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: You're worth every penny.
 Thanks man.
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Nevi wrote: Sorry you misunderstood the pay thing..we're not in the habit of not paying people, which is why we're around 24 years or so.
In my experience, when price isn't mentioned up front, companies are trying to rip people off by squeezing whatever they can out of employees that don't know how to negotiate and/or don't know what the company can afford/is willing to pay because all they do is study computer-related materials rather than business skills.
So, if you're not a ripoff, why aren't you posting what you're willing to pay for your area? Even McDonald's will tell you for how much they'll rip you off before you bother to even consider purchasing.
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Hello guys
Sorry if I offended anyone's sensibilities.
Yes, true, I agree with most of what you guys say.
Yes, I looked..actually, I saw lots that I liked, codes etc..Everyone talks about that $mill off applications etc like it happens everyday..it doesnt really,and many go bankrupt from making all the wrong moves..The world is changing,and even US is crumbling under price wars (although..Im in S Africa..but it helps to know the world)
I've found someone to maybe wing it with me a bit, so...all I can say is, I understand all the skepticism,and Ive heard it all before, same as you guys have..I've been through the mill with coders wanting between $25 and $300 and I can tell you some $25'ers can make the $300 guys look like asses ..so dont just be whipping out your monetary blades, in a subject of relatives..In my own field, I earn close to $3 per min but I dont shove that down people's throats like some kinda hotshot..and there are others that earn maybe $500 per second..but these are all relatives.
Someday, some of you may make it big..Time flies..I know many a good coder that got beaten by time and attitude,and now sit home talkin about what they couldve been..Fact- a higher % of coders, with higher skill levels,end up as lower end achievers.Those that may be not so skilled, but have a will and fire,and can take a leap of faith sometimes actually progress.
Nothing I say to you guys can mean anything though..I understand that
Perhaps in some months, hearing a bit from one of your own might sound more convincing.
I just put something out there..Most dont like the things they see,and others have some hope in the unseen things..People do what they have to, to make a life in the world..Some can just demand $84/hr and have no work,and another can accept $25/hr and have 60 hours of work..Coders in India can do stuff for 135 rupees a day..others will work for 700 rupees a day..Not everyone lives on a $ high.
Businesses that used to make $200/hr now cant make ends meet,and some end up closing doors because they cant compete..so, some out there need to get a reality check..The world isnt a cushy place anymore,and maybe you can just demand $84/hr now..because you have enough means to just say no to anything less..but when it comes down to putting bread and butter on the table today, most do what they have to..and its not because people are out to use them..its what the world economics is falling to.
So, ty for the McD ripoff comments etc..as I said, heard all that before.We've also been burned by coders demanding lots more than $84...so, I can be as skeptical as you are
Whats out there, is out there..someone somewhere, needs to earn,and work..it may not be you, but theres always someone Skeptics and Cynics have all the witty comments..The optimist may fall many times,and not give up..but is rewarded in time.
seeyaaaa
Best wishes
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Nevi wrote: Sorry if I offended anyone's sensibilities.
I'm not offended at all! I don't think El Corazon is either. No worries.
Nevi wrote: so, some out there need to get a reality check
I totally agree. I think my point is to be upfront as much as possible with other parties. If I'm a company that has the money to pay more but don't because they want to be cheap, I think that's wrong. If you only have so much budget and are upfront with employees with what they can expect, then it's their problem if they don't like it because they agreed to the amount.
Well, that's how I see it at least.
Nevi wrote: so, I can be as skeptical as you are
Agreed. I've given a few interviews myself, and I so know where you are coming from.
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hi
I understand your shock...Im familiar with lotsa coders that cant produce squat either,but are quick to make monetary demands..everyone thats bought a book is a coder nowadays..but its a competitive world,and very difficult allround..Ive been in the trenches, so I know what its like to hunt,and get disappointed.
What I am interested in are the following types of codesets:
1- the 'contour' type functionality like in coreldraw- see image ..I think your raytracing background allows you this easily.
2- To be able to copy/paste vector formats between applications/import /save
3- Ongoing modifications to vector abilities with flattening,welding etc...creating overlap edges on vector layers.
4- Image tracing from eg bmp/jpeg to much simplified outlines ( for eg lasercut outlines etc..so generally working with svg..emf ..eps etc..)
5- Node manipulation within grouped vectors/Enveloping effects
6- realtime simulation and effects of fabric wrapping etc on vector based shapes.
7- creation of simple avatars..eg cap shapes/shirt shapes
8- Creation of application architecture..sidetype docker actions,floating dialogs..ability to create from diagram mockups etc with minimal supervision.
9- light web developments
10- Generally many aspects of vector manipulation and abilities.
If the above stuff is up your alley, and you can produce something on #1 for a start,and its really solid functioning,then I'd say theres potential. We're not Microsoft, but we're not the 2bit faggy types either..and youre not required to build a cad program in 3 days..for $5..lol.If you have a bit of patience,and if youre possibly prepared to grow with a co..and if you have the tools to get the job done,then not everything in the world is bs and $5.
seeya
Nevi
efectnevi@yahoo.com
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Nevi wrote: and if you have the tools to get the job done,then not everything in the world is bs and $5.
I have a job, but I will flag it for a few others, if they are interested. Doesn't sound like 10 years of work, but if you have a product in mind and plan on supporting that product for the lifetime of the product, that is good for many mods and rewrites well into the future.
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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You seem to be asking a for a lot of credentials from the people you wish to hire and are going on about the stability and longevity of your company. However, you haven't even posted a website for the company so potential employees can see what they're buying into. You're even using a free Yahoo e-mail address rather than a company one. To me, this doesn't seem very professional.
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
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Hello
Yes..its all very unprofessional-seemingly..Under the circumstances,its all very unorthodox.
Reasons do surround that.
May we let this matter rest?
I asked for a bit of good faith, I got some..Im content with that,and if it works out,a couple of your own will be back to tell. I'll just wait it out,and see how things go ..Maybe you guys should just be calm too..Im sure there are lotsa more important things than my piddly unprofessional posts ..Things to do..$$ to make..MacDonalds to eat...
I put something out there , only for those that wish to take the challenge.
Its nothing for the skeptical, or cynical- if you are, please ignore the post.
Thank you all for your courtesies.
Thats the fun of net sometimes..you never know exactly who it may be, that you chat to..or post to
bye
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Nevi wrote: Under the circumstances,its all very unorthodox.
Reasons do surround that.
Yes, it's all so very hush hush. Mustn't take the blindfold off or we might find out what you want.
Nevi wrote: I put something out there , only for those that wish to take the challenge.
Its nothing for the skeptical, or cynical- if you are, please ignore the post.
Spoken like a true con man. But I guess there's a sucker born every minute and some deserve what they get.
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
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hi
Yep..that be it
You could be right..in most cases, but thats not in every case. As I said, nothing I can say would sound 'right' but if everyone holds their horses and quick tongues for a while, perhaps you will hear from one of your own soon. Thats usually good right?? A fellow coder ,landing in something positive.
Sometimes its wise not to be too judgemental too fast
Have a nice day
bye
Nevi
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Hi,
I'm new in using forms and graphics.
Can anyone tell me the easiest way to show a .svg file in a form?
I have simple static pictures that I want to show in a form, but it has to be vector based (.svg files).
Thanks in advance.
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Hai all,
I just have some basic knowledge on mpeg4. May I know the difference between MPEG4 SD and MPEG4 HD.
Please tell me anyone.
Thanks and regards
Sugantha
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Sugantha wrote: May I know the difference between MPEG4 SD and MPEG4 HD.
Just a guess but "SD" is Standard Definition and "HD" is High Definition?
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Hai,
Thanks for your reply.But I want to know what will be difference in the picturization or resolution or aspect ratio or any other difference between them..
Thanks and Regards
T.Angeline
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Sugantha wrote: Thanks for your reply.But I want to know what will be difference in the picturization or resolution or aspect ratio or any other difference between them..
the difference is more related to the level of compression.
SD=640x480 or 720x480 (approximately...) and there is the interlace and progressive issue, most SD are interlaced, which halves the data on the 30hz cycle and alternates the frame such that 60hz signal is generated. You are never looking at more than half the picture as "new" but since the other half is kept around it looks higher quality than you think it is.
HD is more difficult because you have 720i/p vertical and 1080i/p vertical and you have wide and standard aspects. But we will assume it is the max HD with 1920x1080p
The screen then has about 6.75 times more pixels of detail. Six times detail is a lot of information. BUT, since you also have compression issues.... if you keep the compression the same, you need about 6.75 times the storage space for equal compression level videos on SD and HD. But if you increase the compression on HD you can store a signal in the same space by increasing the compression 6.75 times (approximately -- mpeg is never linear).
so it really comes down to the video source. crappy source expanded big looks worse because the extra 6.75 times resolution you can see more of the errors in the lossy compression (called compression artifacts) and SD has fewer pixels so doesn't show as much compression artifacts. If you have equally compressed signals (equal error rate on lossy compression on a per screen basis), then HD will always win because of the larger amount of detail (more detail, more sharpness, easier on contrast, etc.). But in reality, it is often a combination of different compression and different resolution, and never the two are exactly the same for any given movie. So the answer varies depending on your source and comparison.
To make matters more interesting, HD now encorporates the possibility for 48bit color (16bits R, 16bits G, 16bits B), and SD has no ability to display more than 24bit, so now HD is capable of holding twice the color depth, twice the contrast, etc. Again depending on your source. Comparing 48bit HD video to 24bit SD video is really an apples to orange comparison, if the compression ratio is run in the wrong direction SD really doesn't stand a chance. mmmm I love apples.
HD is simple higher density all around, but it realy still matters what you compressed and how much you compressed it.
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Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau.
Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Hai
Thank you for the reply. I am able to get some knowledge about the mpeg4.
Thank you
Thanks and regards
T.Angeline
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