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Happy Independence Day to all the American CPians.
On a related note, I watched yeaterday Independence Day (1996), since my missus never saw it. We missed the actual Independence Day for a few hours 
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
modified 4-Jul-16 5:11am.
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I gotta work today  , but I wish ya'll happy fireworks.
Kitty at my foot and I waAAAant to touch it...
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den2k88 wrote: 1996
20 years already !? Ouch ! 
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Yep, and Men In Black is 19 years ago. One of the many many factors that sparkled my passion for technology.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Racist!
Keep your anti-Britishness to yourself!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Replace tea with Starbucks coffee!
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Movie Quote Of The Day
So this dog... out of nowhere just lifts his hind-legs up and puts them in the, you know the harness there... and just takes a sh*t, while he's running on his front paws. So he's dumping and running, all at the same time... now that's multi-f***ing-tasking if you ask me.
Which movie?
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UNIX - The beginnings
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Lassie returns
In Word you can only store 2 bytes. That is why I use Writer.
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Superdog
Rules for the FOSW ![ ^]
if(this.signature != "")
{
MessageBox.Show("This is my signature: " + Environment.NewLine + signature);
}
else
{
MessageBox.Show("404-Signature not found");
}
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101 Dalmatians! Now that's an awful lot of crap
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Finding Nemo!
Regards,
Palash
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Some tennis advice to the English football team (3,5,6).
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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Isn't that should be in the Soapbox? 
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Good man i thought I'd inject some lightheartedness into a troubled UK - you are up tomorrow.
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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I've got a clue lined up that I quite like, but I'm not 100% sure it fits the standard CCC rules. Would anyone care to take a look at it for me via PM to check? Obviously this would rule you out of tomorrows CCC  .
Andy B
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Yes no problem - todays one probably doesn't conform either 
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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So I've recently surpassed the "basics" of learning programming (been using C#) and I've now been taking my knowledge and getting creative by making all kinds of cool little apps - from web browsers to gag joke apps, to apps that monitor system performance information... I've really gotten "hands on" with coding now and mostly the challenges I face come up when I write my programs trying to figure out logic and debug and also trying to discover new functions/methods and APIs...
Speaking of APIs and libraries (namespaces, etc...), I've noticed they are an entire different learning curve. Not only must one know the actual language, but he or she must also have a working knowledge of APIs and libraries or else the language knowledge won't mean anything.
Anyway, so I want your input on learning and growing as a coder... I have more patience for coding than I do anything else in my life. I will literally sit for like 12 hours if I have to just to get something worked out. I can't say that about anything else. However, there are certain logic issues that I run into that take me like 2-4 HOURS to solve at times, and sometimes the problem is painfully simple, I just couldn't see it to begin with.
Is this pretty typical for a new coder or coders in general? I don't have a ton of experience being around other new coders so sometimes I wonder if that's normal or if I'm just a wreck.
It's pretty easy for me to follow along in coding books and watch tutorials on Udemy and YouTube and understand everything, even when it comes to so-called "advanced" concepts. However, it's when I put all that stuff away and it's between me and Visual Studio that sometimes I get stuck... And sometimes I don't want to quit and I will stay up all night trying to figure out what ends up being a simple problem that can be fixed in a line or two of code.
I figure this is how the job probably really is, except with much more advanced problems. However, I do still enjoy coding. It's fun to work out the bugs. Your advice/insight is appreciated. Thanks.
P.S. Is there any standardized way to improve at debugging? I'm still trying to learn my way around the VS debugger.
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I think you are going the right direction. Just keep learning from the mistakes. 
<sig notetoself="think of a better signature">
<first>Jim</first> <last>Meadors</last>
</sig>
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TheOnlyRealTodd wrote: Is there any standardized way to improve at debugging?
Knowing your tools and getting your hands dirty.
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TheOnlyRealTodd wrote: that take me like 2-4 HOURS to solve at times
This can be normal and in professional environments it can be quite longer. However I would also like to add an anecdote from my past experience:
I was coding on an application containing a matrix of results and somehow the results where one of in this case, correct in the other and again wrong in a third case. After 13 hours of straight programming the letters on my screen started to turn green and started to move around. My queue to stop working (it was 21:30 and I still had to go home). The next day I came in and started working again. It took me literally less than 5 minutes to solve the problem.
Moral of the story: Dare to put a problem on the side, focus on something else and come back again later.
Keep up the enthusiasm
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Go out-side step away from the code for a few minutes, explain the problem to someone, that someone can be a photo of Bill gates or your favorite bear or a real person who could actually help.
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