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A perfectly valid view but not a reason to make life harder for myself with no actual reward for the effort by switching to Windows 10.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I get what you're saying, life is a balance. I'd wager though that life doesn't always become easier by refusing to change. I think lack of change puts you behind the times and means you live in a world that no longer exists. That's not making life easier IMO.
I get it though, C is still my favorite programming language. I was and still am slow to say .NET is better than sliced bread. And yet, I'm about to make a ASP.NET Core website for work.
Jeremy Falcon
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...and what's wrong with COBOL? There's still a heck of a lot of it around - and that's because it still works and is still doing it's job in all those millions of lines of production code that are still in production for a good reason - no need to change something for the sake of change especially when the existing code still works fine.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
modified 2-Dec-16 16:03pm.
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He didn't say there was anything wrong with COBOL. He said there is something wrong with programmers that refuse to learn anything newer than COBOL.
If all of that COBOL code is good to go and works just fine, then there is no reason for any COBOL-only developers to exist anymore.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Jeremy Falcon
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Real as always, Jeremy  .
Software Zen: delete this;
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Knowing COBOL vs C++ has no comparison with using windows 7 or 10. Its a tool, nothing more, and is little different to windows 7, which itself is little different to XP.
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Simple. It works the same as Win7 (for me at least), will be around longer than Win7, and was free. Why not Windows10?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Quote: It works the same as Win7
Are you sure you aren't running a version of Windows 7 that a "friend" has fixed to say it is "Windows 10"?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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There's always Linux... come on, you know you wanna.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: There's always Linux.
I tried that path. Huge mistake. It's still a lousy OS when it comes to user friendliness. Much worse than Windows.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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What's so different between the two? So different that you'd be lost?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I've got three machines now running 10 and it seems as good or better than 7. (which I thought was the pinnacle)
Here are my reasons for upgrading:
0: Taskbar extends to all monitors
1: It has a working (and quite nice) weather app. I really liked the weather app gadget for 7, but sadly it just quit working...strangely enough, at different times on different machines.
2: Friends, family, and most importantly clients are now using it and expect me to know my way around it.
3: It was free on 2 out of the 3 computers I have it on. (one came with 10 home and was upgraded to pro, the other two were clean installs using Win7 keys.
4: After almost a year on 10, I can honestly say I like it better than 7...just my opinion.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I code, use an office suite, read emails, surf the web and watch netflix and windows 10 is as fine as any!!
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Quote: After almost a year on 10, I can honestly say I like it better than 7
It's nice to see I am not the only one who thinks like that! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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For me it was to test all functionality, as well as my development environment, before I endorse it to the higher-ups. IMHO, it is not ready, but it is close and eventually we'll need to move to a new OS.
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Tony Foo wrote: eventually we'll need to move to a new OS.
Linux, or MacOS?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Because I like it better.
I can see you are going to deny whatever argument I put forward, so I will stop at that.
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Finally a reason that is valid for good reason. You like it. It's possible.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Super Lloyd wrote: Because I like it better.
Best reason in the world.
I hate it, though.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Forogar wrote: ...and don't give any of that bull about it being more stable, because it clearly is actually less stable!
Sorry, but that just is not true. I have been running Windows 10 for months and have yet to see a crash, or any other major problem that could be caused by Windows. Windows 7 was much the same but 10 has certainly been no worse. It does everything I need so I am more than happy with it.
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If you deal with clients who run Windows, they will be running W10 sooner or later. New computers will all be W10 one of these days. You will also need W10 to test your code and/or provide tech support for it. Since the customer is always right, you should be a W10 expert.
If you install it on old hardware, it may have stability problems (drivers). I run it in virtual machines. Run what you want to run for you own work, but, also run what you need to run to stay current. If you like what you have....
We still have XP machines in use (no, they don't go on the network). Personally, I liked W2K.
Lou
Never be afraid to tell the world who you are.
-- Anonymous
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Quote: the customer is always right
This is an oft quoted policy for many organisations. That doesn't make it correct.
However, I will be going to WinX soon (at work) for that very reason. I also will start with running it in a VM.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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<GrumpyOldFartView>
I have developed on and for every version of Windows since 3.1. Each time a new version came out, there has always been a group that claimed the new version was so horrible that they refused to use or develop for it.
This attitude is contra-survival in a professional sense. Your refusal to adapt will simply leave you behind. The world and more importantly your customers will upgrade, with or without you. If your products do not work in the new environment, they will find a provider whose products do. This is natural selection in the business world, or what's known in party conversations as "tough luck".
</GrumpyOldFartView>
Software Zen: delete this;
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I realise I am going to have to go to it eventually. I have changed to each successive version starting at DOS 2.20 and only skipping over Windows ME after a quick test. I still run a Vista machine, XP and W2K file servers at home.
What I was looking for was a "good" reason, not a "forced by circumstances" reason.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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