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A funny thing happened to me on the way to work...
In the middle of working on a set of problems I despise having to shutdown and restart things when I change location. And all of us know when we put Windows <anything> into sleep mode, it's a hit/miss proposition, mostly a miss.
So this AM I need to pack up and head for the lab, some work going on my Win10 machine and one VM running. I suspend the VM and sleep the desktop.
The desktop never wakes up correctly, the Vm snaps to attention. So how is it that VMware can sleep a VM and Microsoft has never managed to do so?
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: The desktop never wakes up correctly, the Vm snaps to attention. So how is it that VMware can sleep a VM and Microsoft has never managed to do so?
The VM is just virtually asleep. A real OS has hardware to deal with 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Yeah,
VMWare emulates a very small number of BIOS and EFI. Microsoft Windows has to deal with thousands of BIOS,EFI,UEFI versions that have various sleep states. Unfortunately when these BIOS vendors incorrectly implement or misreport the capabilities Windows gets the blame.
It seems like everytime I log into the codeproject forums someone is attacking the operating system I helped build. Not sure why I even come here anymore.
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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Well ... some of it is jealousy, some of it is "It's the year of Linux!" (again, again, again, again, ... repeat ad nauseam)
But a lot of it is not to do with Windows at all, but the lack of care MS have taken with the UI and actual usability in a rush to move in directions a desktop OS probably shouldn't go. Win8 was an attempt to force a desktop OS into a Mobile device: it failed there, and reduced usability on the desktop at the same time. 8.1 didn't reverse that, Win10 didn't either - because I suspect MS will not admit it made a mistake. Not the first time for that either...
That pisses people off: they loved Win7, because it worked, and looked good, and was easy to use. It had flaws, yes - but it was genuinely better than its "replacement".
That's not a Windows-the-operating-system problem: at that, Win10 is pretty solid. It's a UI problem compounded by bone headed corporate stubbornness.
Don't take it personally is all I can say!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Randor wrote: It seems like everytime I log into the codeproject forums someone is attacking the operating system I helped build.
It helps when you stop acting like a crazy mother that takes any criticism as an attack on her baby. This particular baby can be very annoying at times, even without the little annoyances that have been built in deliberately.
Randor wrote: Not sure why I even come here anymore.
Masochism? perhaps you miss the soapbox where you could get plenty of that? Seriously, do you really think that everyone here is just lurking to get a good shot at you. Shirley there are at least a few around who actually may have something to say.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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CodeWraith wrote: It helps when you stop acting like a crazy mother that takes any criticism as an attack on her baby.
Says the guy who calls anyone saying something nice about Microsoft a raging fanboi. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Says the guy who calls anyone saying something nice about Microsoft a raging fanboi.
Nah, not just any fanboi. Only those that think they are the high priests of their own religion and cry for the inquisition when they spot a disbeliever. 
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Randor wrote: It seems like everytime I log into the codeproject forums someone is attacking the operating system I helped build. Not sure why I even come here anymore.
And it's always the same handful of people.
Ignore them. You can't make everyone happy.
Windows is by a vast margin the most popular PC OS, despite Linux being free. That's simply because of usability.
Munich made an experiment for more than ten years where the installed a special version of Linux on all PCs in the town. (Some 20000 or so)
Two years ago they swapped back to Windows. Fanbois will tell you it was for political reasons. It wasn't. It was for economic reasons.
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I actually agree, for the [non savvy] masses windows is just better.
(particularly when I'm the mug setting up a pc for uncle bob's neighbor's granma's friend's 2nd cousin's mate). Eventually they figure out they can get help from a lot more places than just me - way less likely on linux.
For the dev / savvy (depending on exactly what) linux is a good [but not the only] option for most. (if it's full-on pure win dev then windows base is almost as good, most other cases windows can work but it not really there.)
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Randor wrote: Unfortunately when these BIOS vendors incorrectly implement or misreport the capabilities Windows gets the blame.
A big portion of the blame should also go to hardware manufacturers who developed drivers for their hardware (Nvidia).
I love Win 10, but I run nvidia geforce gtx 1060 6gb oc edition for my ML projects and the driver is trash. After about a month of intermittent BSODs, I finally installed LMDE3 and haven't had a crash since.
It was an easier option since I can't just toss away the GPU. MS should start penalizing companies for every user they lose because of driver induced BSODs. 
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Well Dave, sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings... sort of tongue in cheek.... but frankly, MS should not let external hardware affect this. If they cannot make it stable, they should remove the feature.
Sleep has had issues since Xp times, but I've never bothered to look into what exactly it is that MS does going into sleep. I have identical external hardware between two locations - same USB expansion, same external monitor, etc. This minimizes my waking up issues, but even so, I always have some thread in the nt kernel running away with cpu. Allegedly it's a driver somewhere, but this same problem has plagued users since Windows 8.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Okay, I'll play - what's the difference? I'm sleeping a laptop - the hardware is not changing...
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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The difference is real hardware versus an application. What makes you think that real hardware is as easy as a VM that is optimized to run with virtual drivers?
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I'm not arguing, but again, and I plead some ignorance here, what would be the technical difference between a "real" driver vs. a virtual driver? Sure VMware can pause the machine - but I would think the same concept applies to Windows 10. Technically, Windows 10 is an application.
I'm trying to understand the distinction you are making....
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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The fact that software will answer as programmed, where Windows is waiting for hardware.
And "technically" Windows is what user-applications are built upon. We use the WinAPI, Windows provides it.
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It works on my machine :P
I regularly use hibernate / sleep and most of the time it works as advertised.
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charlieg wrote: all of us know when we put Windows <anything> into sleep mode, it's a hit/miss proposition, mostly a miss.
Um ... no?
I don't have a problem: my Surface goes into sleep mode every time I close the lid - and wakes up exactly where it was every time I want to use it again. As did my WookieTab (though that had some problems with WiFi from time to time, the Surface doesn't).
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I never had any problems with sleep mode 
Well, except, Windows somehow forgets on which monitors my applications were running.
They're all on my main screen when I start back up.
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charlieg wrote: And all of us know when we put Windows <anything> into sleep mode, it's a hit/miss proposition, mostly a miss.
Is this part of the joke?
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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yes.
What actually happened is that I had shutdown my laptop (forgetting the VM was running). When I rebooted, I came back to the VM which had automatically paused itself. I was shocked at how fast it came back up - I'd never done it before.
As for the NVidea driver, go try a Radeon card if you want real pain and suffering...
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I've been noticing more and more that websites are setting their font size to something a blind man could read. Particularly sites with API documentation, but not exclusively.
I find myself setting the zoom factor in Chrome to 75% or even less, simply so these pages don't SCREAM at me, like that.
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OK.
I'd rather be phishing!
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WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY, MARC?
Sorry, I had to take the bait.
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Sorry, what did you say?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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