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Ah.
You've had to use it then...sad, isn't it?
I'm desperately hoping Win10 will be better, less fragmented, less schizophrenic, less Fisher-Price.
But...MS is not good at learning what was a mistake, and I understand that even Explorer has been Ribbon-ised... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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- No. Except some test I do not use Windows 8/8.1 - my comment went to the mysterious member, who reported - in row - my comments on your post about Windows 8.1 on floppy disks...
- I run weekly test on Windows 10 and it is better in a way, that Microsoft dropped the 'touch-first-and-nothing-after' attitude...The current version of IE on Windows 10 (11.0.10011.0) has no ribbons - yet...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Oh...That Explorer...In built 10049 (latest as today) the ribbon hidden by default and you do not see it in normal use (at least my normal use)...It shows when you select on of the menu items - Home, Share, View, or others joining the party...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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But if you are interested in some really bad things (not for you of course): Windows 10 changes, automatically, the layout of the windows to RTL if you are in region with RTL language...In that case the whole layout is messed up and hard to use...The really disturbing thing is, that since Windows 2000 we had no such a problem...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
modified 20-Apr-15 5:18am.
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I'm sure you meant RTL. No idea what you could have had in mind with RTF.. 
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Maybe he speak fluent Rich Text Format?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Makes no sense. Why would all those people point me to the Rich Text Format Manual? 
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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Absolutely right...Fixed...(I'm on adding new feature to an old CLR that enables handling RTF content in SQL...)
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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It's driving me up the fruggin' wall.
Never mind the ribbon in explorer, that's nothing. The godawful baby-blocks file-access interface that replaces explorer is a thousand times worse.
Gone are the perhaps-not-pretty-but-who-gives-a-sht1-about-that-because-I-only-want-them-to-let-me-at-the-files common dialogs, replaced by full-screen baby-blocks things that, with a screen resolution of 1920x1080, allow you to see only 20 files, and have no controls to change the view in any way.
Its designers might think it's prettier, but it's really not[^]. It looks like a 14-year-old's idea of what would be cool for his "my life sucks" web page.
Directories are displayed as MS-blue baby blocks, and files as black baby-blocks (which makes them look transparent! Soooo clever!)
This is how MS sees the future of explorer, and it's as cr@ppy as its future for every other aspect of the OS user interface.
They should just stop!
They are no good at pretty or artistic, and no amount of job-shuffling will change that.
They haven't got the idea that, apart from the moronic idiots who worship apple, no-one else in the world wants computers to be glamorous or artistic -- but the apple fanbois already have apple, so they don't need MS, and they won't buy MS, so Wrong Fruggin' Market, Guys!
99% of people? The not-blinded-by-love-of-Steve-Jobs huge majority?
They want computers to do the job they're made for, and they don't want lead-booted attempts at glamorous and elegant, by people who obviously haven't a clue, to get in the way of doing the job.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I think you have been heard...Check the latest built of Windows 10...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Windows has finally elevated my stance to "not botherin'" mode.
I'll maybe see Winio when I buy a new machine that has its installation package pre-copied, but even that's only a maybe.
I have no faith that they will make changes that will make my use of the computer easier, and absolute faith that they will just screw things up again, making my use of the computer more difficult, again -- perhaps in different ways, but always "again".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: fanbois already have apple, so they don't need MS, and they won't buy MS
I used to think the same way about Apple.. until Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 - the combination of those two finally pushed me over to Apple and I can say that I haven't looked back. OSX works fine - no gimmicks, no touchscreen junk, it's certainly more of a pleasure to use than Windows 8.
I still use Windows for .NET development - everything else I do on Mac these days. I'm not sure this is the outcome Microsoft intended, but if they ignore their users what can they expect? 
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: OSX works fine - no gimmicks, no touchscreen junk, it's certainly more of a pleasure to use than Windows 8.
I'm almost loathe to say it, because I don't want to be in any way associated with the apple fanbois camp, but there's precious little wrong with the OSX user interface.
I'd like a little more control over details, sometimes, and the machines are far too expensive, for what you get, but their designers appear to be pros who know what they're doing, and who make a good job of it.
Windows is a different world; it should focus on what its designers are good at, rather than make ham-fisted attempts to do what apple designers are good at.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: the machines are far too expensive
Depends on what you're looking for. You could argue that Windows machines are too cheap, hence the proliferation of poorly performing, unreliable machines which are awful to use.
Sure you can get a Windows laptop for £400 or less, but it's not going to be great. To get something good you're going to have to spend over £1,000 (a MacBook Air can be had for £800).
My desktop PC that I use for .NET development has - after increasing RAM and installing a 500GB SSD - cost close to the same price as my MacBook Pro just to get close to the same response times in the UI. The quality of the displays and keyboard are not as good as the Mac - I'd have to spend a lot more to get to that point.
I'd say that actually Apple's prices reflect a more appropriate value of a machine than Windows devices. You can't cut costs without compromising the performance and build quality of a system.
Just my opinion tho 
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: You could argue that Windows machines are too cheap
Not any more.
For a decent (light, powerful) laptop the Macbook Air is competitive (although less so now with the McAwesome Dell XPS 13), and for simple desktops the Mac Mini is maybe $100 more expensive than a similarly equipped mini-PC from others. (I went through this painful pricing exercise over the New Year).
What Apple don't have is a mid-range solid desktop alternative. I need more power than a Mac Mini, but I do not need to spend a mortgage downpayment on a Mac Pro. I'm using iMacs and bootcamp for my Windows box and the iMacs, for some reason, are dogs when it comes to performance. Just a more powerful Mac Mini and a nice, cheap Dell monitor and I'd be very happy.
Brent Jenkins wrote: I'd say that actually Apple's prices reflect a more appropriate value of a machine than Windows devices
You've hit the nail on the head (in a way). When I was doing pricing comparisons the Windows machines seemed cheap - until you started spec'ing them up to the level of the Mac machines. The apparent price difference shrunk.
So maybe it's not "appropriate value" but more along the lines of "real world value". It felt like shopping for a car: the price seems cheap until you realise you have to pay for the air conditioning and Bluetooth.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Agreed...there needs to be 2 operating systems...the PRODUCTIVE desktop and the CONSUMPTIVE gadget interface, and they need to be kept TOTALLY SEPARATE.
Eg: OS/X is the PRODUCTIVE platform, iOS is the CONSUMPTIVE platform.
(I know 'consumptive' probably isn't an actual word, but my spell checker didn't object 
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DaveX86 wrote: (I know 'consumptive' probably isn't an actual word, but my spell checker didn't object
It is, consumption is an alternative name for Tuberculosis. Consumptive[^] refers to someone suffering from it.
It's also a pretty apt description of the world of fondleslabs.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Well, there ya go...a word in the English language has been re-tasked re-purposed
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Not a glorious knight, but I find windows 8.1 to be quite serviceable. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
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Windows 8.1 is ok...as long as you turn it into Windows 7 like I did
Boot to desktop, uninstall all the metro apps, disable all the charms BS and install Classic Shell - you'll barely notice the difference
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Movie Quote Of The Day
Boys are much easier!
Can't argue there, which movie?
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(No! Definitely not!)
Men on Fire...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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The pickup priest 
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Paris goes to college
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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