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Hey guys,
i really would like to have new features as soon as possible, even beyond .NET 3.5: Memory transactions, covariance and contravariance for generics, more dynamic stuff, etc...
If you feel a new version each two years is too fast, then maybe the problem is in your organizational schema, methodologies, schedule, resources($ and human) and so on.
Years ago, I worked using PowerBuilder on a company wich uses to change PB every 2 versions. That sould be a better aproach instead of request stop progress for other developers.
NSA
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nmarcel wrote: Memory transactions, covariance and contravariance for generics, more dynamic stuff, etc...
The Design by Contract stuff from Spec# is what I'd like.
Kevin
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MFC LCD
....yeah.
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What is meant by "Built in support for n-tier development"? It's the first I hear of this in .NET 3.5. Does anyone have more info or some links to this? Also, do you think it's good enough to squash any existing (third-party) libraries out there?
Thanks!
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Al Beback wrote: What is meant by "Built in support for n-tier development"?
It is mostly about about driving visionary deliverables, reinventing seamless solutions and harnessing global applications.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: It is mostly about about driving visionary deliverables, reinventing seamless solutions and harnessing global applications.
Gotcha, boss. 
- Your choice of lifestyle is an abomination.
- But I've been this way since I was a child.
- The scriptures say it is of the Devil!
- But who am I hurting by being this way?
- It's EVIL! You must renounce this behavior!
- What if it's NATURAL?
- There's no proof of that!
BEING LEFT HANDED IN THE MIDDLE AGES.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: harnessing
wasn't that m-tier development?
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Not my opinion, just one of the answers from "Other".
To be honest, I'd prepare changes on a 2-3 year timeline, unlike MFC which hardly change ever, over the year I used it.
I'm looking forward to LINQ etc, and the abilty to create WPF apps direct from VS.
Bring it on Microsoft, as long as you don't break anything.
.net is a box of never ending treasures, every day I get find another gem.
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To be honest, there's very little in Orcas I'm looking forward to other than improved stability and an end to some of the idiotic bugs which should have been fixed in the VS2005 RTM (hint: try writing add-ins using VS2005), and still exist in SP1.
Most of our development is in native code, and although MS seem to have a renewed commitment to C++ most of what is planned for Orcas is incremental rather than revolutionary (I wrote about this in a blog post[^] a few weeks back).
Incidentally, the "support for Vista UI features" item is misleading - although Orcas will support the new common controls, it does not include support for TaskDialog - arguably the most important of the UI enhancements. We're using a third party library for that instead; as a bonus it also allows us to use them under XP and Win2k.
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CListCtrl tops the list again!
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How many years is it now? Five? Six? 
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Measured in total, eons.
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote: And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Ever since some programmer typed it in on his computer to create something like a list..
WM.
What about weapons of mass-construction?
"What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
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...they removed these silly "safety" warnings that are issued whenever I use perfectly valid standard C and C++ functions like std::copy and deprecate their slow and non-portable "safe" alternatives instead.
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Cancel or Allow?
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote: And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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*clicks Allow"
Are you sure?
*clicks yes*
Why?
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Where's the "none" option? Seriously, I'm not particularly looking forward to any of these so-called "improvements". I don't really see how they will significantly improve what I do or what my clients need me to do.
A few of them are interesting to look at, but nothing to excited about, IMO.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: A few of them are interesting to look at, but nothing to excited about, IMO.
We made a hard decision of not supporting .NET 1.x in our new product, because I wanted to use generics, but using 3.x features will not be acceptable for at least 3 years.
Best regards,
Paul.
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Not even support for multiple versions of .NET? I thought at least that one would get a tick from you.
My greatest fear, though, is that they will use the Office colour scheme. An even greater fear is they will use ribbons.
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Chris Maunder wrote: An even greater fear is they will use ribbons
They couldn't... they wouldn't... would they? 
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No they wouldn't, I have a version here and it's just like 2005, except for a new border around the center part of the tabbed environment. Which is a finishing touch in my opinion.
I personally think LINQ is going to be the most interesting and the most used feature of .NET 3.5, since it makes working with data a lot more pleasant. I just hope they are going to improve the WPF editor too, since it simply sucks at the moment.
WM.
What about weapons of mass-construction?
"What? Its an Apple MacBook Pro. They are sexy!" - Paul Watson
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I cant imagine they'd make that mistake twice.
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Now that's not fair, in Office they work really well.
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uh huh.
if by "really well" you mean actually opening help to find out where they put the damned paste special, then I whole heartedly agree  ;P
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I'm a fairly intensive MS Office user, primarily Word, Outlook and Excel, and after the first few days of relearning where some things were with the 2007 releases I haven't looked back. Everything is where it logically should be -- no more searching the Edit, Insert and Format menus to try and find out how to do something, instead it is just there in front of you or a single click away. Features like the style previews, context sensitive ribbons, and task-oriented layout were well overdue IMO, and the new Office menu is the best thing since Vista's searchable start menu.
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