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m.bergman
For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.
To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered. -- Voltaire
In most cases the only difference between disappointment and depression is your level of commitment. -- Marc Maron
I am not a chatbot
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I work on the server side these days and have no plans to get involved in desktop UI in near future.
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Jumping on the Metro bandwagon (or bus or handbasket)?
FTFY
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No.
Windows 8 is an epic fail.
Microsoft is an epic fail.
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
"It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
"But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)
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My opinion.
Collin Jasnoch wrote: How does something have an Epic Fail if it has not even started?
Oh, I don't know. Google search "Windows 8 sucks"...what do you see? IMHO, this viewpoint will not change for the end user as well.
Windows 8 might just be the thing for Mobile apps but not desktops, IMHO.
-- cheers
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
"It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
"But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)
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Collin Jasnoch wrote: One could reverse it and also get results "Windows 8 Rocks". Doesn't mean anything...
Windows 8 rocks - About 33,500,000 results
Windows 8 sucks - About 54,400,000 results
Must mean something, surely 
No seriously I agree it doesn't mean much but so far the feedback I'm hearing is far from glowing.
Like most people, I think Metro makes sense for tablets and phones but not the desktop.
I rely on MS for my living and for the most part like what they do but Win8 has me at a loss. I just can't imagine how serious applications could ever work in Metro and switching between the two UIs is not elegant. Its probably fine if all I want to do is check the weather and read my facebook!
As a dev I'm very frustrated. I no longer have a clear platform I should be developing in and I don't like the uncertainty.
Guess only time will tell if it takes off.
--
The Obliterator
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Collin Jasnoch wrote: one of them is not really a desktop but more a dedicated "Search". The
effectiveness of the search is how you interact.
Personally I loathe the inbuilt searching and indexing functions of Weven, and imho the move towards "don't worry about where you stash things, because search will be your saviour" drives me nuts. I know where I want to file things, and dammit, I'll file them there!!
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I just noticed that Chris said Windows 8 was an epic fail as well. Interesting how your response to his post and to mine are so different. 
"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
"It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
"But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)
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"the meat from that butcher is just the dogs danglies, absolutely amazing cuts of beef." - DaveAuld (2011)
"No, that is just the earthly manifestation of the Great God Retardon." - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
"It is the celestial scrotum of good luck!" - Nagy Vilmos (2011)
"But you probably have the smoothest scrotum of any grown man" - Pete O'Hanlon (2012)
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I'm afraid to say I'm unsurprised. Programmers are the most reactionary beings on the planet.
Witness:
1. The amount of fans of Vi, Emacs and UNIX shell programming, and arcane build systems.
2. The reaction everytime Microsoft or Apple release anything that "looks" different (at least since Win95, which was generally well-received).
3. Most development is still done with text-file based and command-line (at heart at least) compile-link-run cycles, 30 years after Smalltalk introduced IDEs.
4. The lack of adoption of most new languages, unless supported by one of the "big boys", regardless of technical merit.
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It all depends on the market.
If a customer demands so it will be done, plain and simple.
I wont either force or avoid its implementation.
It already happened with other technologies and hypes, this is another one... nothing new about it.
So far I can tell that no one (customer) bothers or even knows about it.
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It makes a difference to code real Metro Apps (programming against WinRT) or to adopt metro style look and feel in currently existing frameworks and applications.
We plan to do the latter one...
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For many people it has been normal to wait for Microsoft to release version 2 or 3 of anything before they even took a closer look at it. That used to be their way to avoid using something before it had reached a certain maturity. The problem is that Microsoft's last year's one and only solution to everything will not reach maturity anymore before being abandoned for something else.
But it's not really so important wether or not I drop .Net and go looking someplace else. As far as I can see it my bosses are abandoning Microsoft in a large scale. They are investing millions in Java projects and .Net development is as good as dead. So it will only be a matter of time until I will have to think about where I'm going as well. At the moment I would most probably try to go back to C++. There I have such a broad choice of environments and operating systems that what happens to Windows 8 and Metro will be entertaining to see, but it will not be of any importance.
At least artificial intelligence already is superior to natural stupidity
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"No plans at present, lets see if the steaming heap of junk survives first before diverting resources"
The reviews of Metro/Weight aren't exactly glowing at present. Well, they are glowing with rage...
Ideological Purity is no substitute for being able to stick your thumb down a pipe to stop the water
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It all depends on how Windows 8 will be promoted and received.
At this point I am more likely to switch - dare I say defect- to Android, which will be a real pain is I like c# and .net very much. 
Its the man, not the machine - Chuck Yeager
If at first you don't succeed... get a better publicist
If the final destination is death, then we should enjoy every second of the journey.
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Try Monodroid.
If you like it please share your experience.
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As far as I know Monodroid does not run Android (you need a PC) which kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion, as I would like a clean break.
Its the man, not the machine - Chuck Yeager
If at first you don't succeed... get a better publicist
If the final destination is death, then we should enjoy every second of the journey.
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Windows 8 
Rating always..... WELCOME
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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