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In my opinion C# is not accepted by me for several reasons.. First it fits in the same category to me and Java and Shockwave on web pages (Both of which is a poor attempt at fitting a square peg in a round hole - C# is a poor attempt at brining C++ to the Visual Basic masses. VB for VB, C++ for C++. Oil and water there. Don’t mix em.)
C# is not portable. Windows Only
So in response to the overall survey I would say. Kill C# abandon it and treat it like a bad military experiment that went wrong.. destroy all documentation and say it never existed.. and umm.. death to all VB coders and all VB website managers that include "C++ Help, C++ Tutorials, Learn C++ here" in there meta tags!
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ROK_RShadow wrote:
C# is not portable. Windows Only
There is actually an open-source linux implementation[^] of C# and the .NET framework being developed by the Ximian team.
"We will thrive in the new environment, leaping across space and time, everywhere and nowhere, like air or radiation, redundant, self-replicating, and always evolving." -unspecified individual
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MS have sent in a patent application for the whole .NET CLR, and you could say goodbye to mono if it passes.
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Ya, and port will prolly be as stable as Perl32 for Windows 
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I'm a C++ head, and I love C#. As many are pointing out, each language is geared toward a specific need. C++ gives you performance out the wazoo, but is decidedly overkill for most applications. My rule of thumb is if you need to go as high performance as possible, do it where it counts, and do it in C/C++ (with inline assembly if you need.) Otherwise, it's all right to use higher-level languages such as C#. I would think that if you need to render a 3D scene for a realtime medical application, that you'd use C / C++, despite the grungy low-level nature.
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C# is a good language and will grow to be a great language. However, I work with systems software that is written in C andC++. Learning Managed Extensions for C++ (MC++) was the best solution for my situation.
I have learned and forgotten languages such as FORTRAN, COBOL, RPG, Pascal, BASIC and Visual BASIC. I am not afraid of change. At this time, I don't have a good reason to drop C++ in favor of C# development. I would like to see C# mature a little more before I make that decision.
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I'm a C++ program and I like C# designed to do the job it does best in the .Net framework.
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Is VB.NET a language you take seriously or do old prejudices from the VB6 days still hold sway?
Why must it be 'old prejudices' ? This question presumes that anyone who liked VB ( yes, both of you, you know who you are ) will also like VB.NET, or that if I don't, I'm just prejudiced, and have no valid reason for feeling that way.
And VB.NET WILL be deprecated, what else is C# for ?
Christian
No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer.
- Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002
C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael
P Butler 05-12-2002
It'd probably be fairly easy to make a bot that'd post random stupid VB questions, and nobody would probably ever notice - benjymous - 21-Jan-2003
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I don't have an opinion on this one. Chris L., please give me one. (inside joke, you would have to read a thread Chris and I had.)
Tim Smith
I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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I like See Sharp because it's easier to say than See Plus Plus.
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(b.t.w., that was me.)
-c
When history comes, it always takes you by surprise.
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LOL
Tim Smith
I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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You mean that it is not called SEEpound?
Paul Watson wrote:
"At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote:
"Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
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Where are all the C++'ers who damn VB? Now that you finally have a official space to brag, nobody dares it.
powerful binary resource reuse - another word for "no sources, you are stuck with a pain-in-the-a## COM component"
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What are you talking about? 65% of the votes so far either say VB should be deprecated, or that they don't like it but accept it.
I personally wonder what the whole point of VB.NET is. It is different enough from VB 6 that old VB'ers pretty much have to learn a new language... so why not go on and use C#, built from the ground-up to have the object-oriented and code-reuse advantages of C++, but being able to take full advantage of .NET?
(Note: I don't really do much .NET programming, but if I had to, I would definitely use C#.)
You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.
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Navin wrote:
personally wonder what the whole point of VB.NET is. It is different enough from VB 6 that old VB'ers pretty much have to learn a new language... so why not go on and use C#, built from the ground-up
Because they are not able to understand all those complicated semicolons and braces.
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.. or the concept of re-usable code.
You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.
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I don't understand your reasoning here. VBers don't understand things like classes and ActiveX controls?
Paul Watson wrote:
"At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote:
"Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
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Ray Cassick wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning here. VBers don't understand things like classes and ActiveX controls?
It seems most VBers don't actually *write* ActiveX controls... they just use them. And anyway, that's only part of code-reuse... try to explain the concept of a reusable base class to a VB-er and you will usually get a blank stare.
You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.
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Navin wrote:
It seems most VBers don't actually *write* ActiveX controls... they just use them.
Well that sucks.... it's true, but it still sucks
Paul Watson wrote:
"At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote:
"Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
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I don't think the blank starte has anything to do with the coversation. All VB-er I talk to have that stare anyways
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Is it this stare 
or this one 
or maybe it is this one 
but probably this one 
but if C++ers have it they would have VBers look this way 
and with my C++, VB, Java, and SQL experience they all say I look this way 
But no matter how you put it VB was for the quick and dirty without need for a lot of complicated expression. (By the way I write a lot of ASP and do an awfull lot in VB ActiveX for simple functionality I need, but why should you rebuild the house when all you need is the door).
I like C++ for the more advanced needs of threading, completetion ports, and a whole slew of other wizbang power options. But if all I need is a simple database front end VB does the job quite nicely. I hated what they did with VB in .NET when I first saw it but having converted to using native C++ with a special GUI need the transition hasn't been as bad as I expected.
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From what I have seen, few C++ programmers know what to do with a base class as well. Good object oriented design and programming is about knowledge, not language. I have seen some god-awful messes in C++ by people who *tried* to do OOP. I hate all this BS from every VC programmer who instantly think they are OOP experts.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
Because they are not able to understand all those complicated semicolons and braces.
Trust me -- of the 45+ professional VBers I know, only one understands C based languages. The rest just stare blindly.
I'm not joking here, I'm serious.
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zenboy wrote:
Trust me -- of the 45+ professional VBers
Professional VBers? PROFESSIONAL VBers?!?! What has this world come to 
If there were no god, it would be necessary to invent one.
-- Voltaire
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