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I find myself asking questions that from time to time get really rude responses or answers, and though I am an adult and can take criticism, it do make me hesitate to be as active a member on this site as I want to be.
Now I asked a question a few day's ago and one of the highest scored "helpers" in the "ask a question"-section, gave me a tongue-lashing for asking a stupid question I should have known the answer to. Well, I if was a schooled programmer and not a self-taught programmer I might have had the breadth of basic knowledge to see what's obvious to other.
But when the MSDN reference library, (which are awesome), is like looking for a tidbit of fact in the NYC library without knowing the subject, title nor author of the book it might be in, I ask a question. When I ask a question, I hope for a quick precise answer, and maybe a link to the relevant MSDN page for more details.
But when what one gets is a tirade about my failures, Can't help but get a bit miffed. Now I admit that my experience with C# is limited, and I wish I could use PHP for desktop development, but I can't, so I'm stuck trying to get by with what I have and trying to learn more every day.
Perhaps my little tirade isn't quite what it could be, but I want to make my point clear, it might be a good idea to separate the "ask a question" into 2 or 3 categories based on what level of skill the asker is at, after all, there are a big difference asking for how get a random number between two values, and the quality of randomness in a self-developed randomization class, versus the standard "Random"-class provided native in C#
Just a thought!
-frank
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Which question, and what did the member say? I cannot figure out what you are refering to.
I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image.
Stephen Hawking
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That's absolutely not important. Who said what exactly has nothing to do with the actual purpose of my post.
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First of all, I'm sorry that you have received such a poor response; unfortunately this doesn't help to improve peoples perceptions of the site, so I really wish it hadn't happened. If someone makes an effort to ask a decent question, they should not be belittled - the only time the criticism is valid is when there has been no effort, and attempts to get improvements are met with hostility.
Saying that, I don't think that there needs to be a split. What one person considers basic another person considers advanced so the split would be largely subjective. Perhaps we just need to remember that people are trying and give them a bit more lee way. And if it's any consolation, some of us who are experienced have been treated with the same arrogance as well. The big difference that we have is that we are big and bad enough to be able to bite back.
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You might be right, but the community mustn't become some exclusive club, only for codemasters. It's important to guide the those who ask "stupid questions", but do so in a civilized manner. And to come down hard upon those who would use their knowledge superiority to denigrate and humiliate the people who seek it.
A stupid question is always worth more than an unpleasant answer, in my humble opinion.
-frank
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Errm, that's what I said.
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Maybe describing yourself as "Chief Technology Officer" gives people the impression that you know more than you do.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
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I DO have my own company, and when it comes to the larger field of ICT, I have no problem calling myself competent, but except for PHP (and web-related markup languages), my programming skills isn't what I want them to be.
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Having looked at some of the comments you have put into Q&A I really cannot see what you are complaining about.
One of these days I'm going to think of a really clever signature.
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It got deleted by one of the admins/moderators. I did get good a few decent answers though. But I just got pissed that someone would actively take the time to be mean to someone for asking a question. And if someone feels that it's beneath them to help a newbie, it might indicate a need to do changes, so the elite don't need to be bothered by the unwashed horde.
I'm not on any crusade, but I see little reason not to emphasize to the community the need to be civil to each other. And as is customary, when one has an issue, one supplies a possible remedy as well.
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Hi Frank,
First of all, I am sorry to hear you've had such a negative experience seeking support on CP, which I think is usually excellent, and delivered with empathy to the person who asked the question.
I agree with (what I see as) the "gist" of one responder's comment on this thread: that without at least naming the group where you posted, and got an abusive response: it's hard to respond to this post with any specifics.
I'm guessing your experience was on a specific QA forum.
I also very much agree with Pete O'Hanlon's view that CP really does not need to split any of the support forums into "levels of skill" categories.
You do have the power to vote on responses: to report them as abuse, to vote them down, and to respond back to any response you see as inappropriate, or abusive, or off-topic. Did you exercise that power ?
In practice, in general, it seems to me like the C# language forum ... compared to the C# QA Forums ... is usually a place where "higher-level" questions are asked, and issues are posed, and there is less "tolerance," there, for questions that are vague, don't indicate what technical context they are in, etc.
There has been an issue with one of the most frequent responders on Q&A (and highest rep), going off into wild-tangents, delivering sermons, or lectures, telling people they are stupid, etc. There have been instances of responses on Q&A that "make fun of" the poster's lack of English language skills, suggestive of racism.
Well, that's the real world: some people are cruel; some kind; some like you more than you deserve for unknown reasons; some hate you for unknown reasons; some kick you when you are down; some offer a helping-hand ?
When I am on QA, and see what I think is an off-the-wall response, I usually put in a response on the thread telling said responder what I think is wrong with their response, and I, at times, report these responses as abuse, as well as down-voting them.
In fact, our esteemed colleague Pete O'Hanlon commented here on this forum, some time ago, that he had to leave helping-out on Q&A activity because he just couldn't stand the behavior of one or two individuals.
There have been numerous posts here on this forum, over the last year, regarding Q&A forums, what questioners should be required to do; what to do about people who frequently seem to give long-winded off-topic responses, etc. The issue you raise is not a novelty, here !
But, I think it's unrealistic to expect that people who are busy working professionals, operating on the cutting edge, and with families to support, and deadlines to meet, will have a lot of time to give to answering questions. I think I am lucky (we're all lucky) that such people take the time they do: to respond here, very generously !
I'm afraid you'll have to put-up with the likes of put-out-to-pasture re-treads, like me 
I have been unable to help out on QA, which I enjoy doing, for about a month due to an intractable (so far, even with Microsoft's Visual Studio Install forum moderators' help) technical problem that I can't un-install VS Studio 2012, and re-installing my original VS 2010 won't work either.
In any case, I hope you will come to view your negative experience as "an outlier on the fringe of one side of the bell curve" on CP's generally excellent track-record of enabling quality member-to-member support.
sincerely, Bill
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F-Secure is unhappy about Getting started with Volume Rendering[^] http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php
I first discovered this when I tried navigating to that article, has CP recently added/changed something related to facebook?
modified 27-Oct-12 5:46am.
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We've added the Facebook plug, yes.
Want me to add a flag to allow you to remove the plugins?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote: Want me to add a flag to allow you to remove the plugins?
It just caught me by surprise - The F-Secure screen was a bit ominous ... but in this case I turned it off for this particular site 
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This took me forever to track down but I finally did and the culprit was ClassicShell. Several people at our company leave our computers on for weeks at a time. After about a week or so all internet requests start acting sluggishly. After about a week when you first open your browser it will hang for exactly 5 seconds before actually sending your request. Once loaded all internet activity works for 60 seconds. After 60 seconds the next internet request will have that annoying 5 second hang time before anything happens. Only way to fix is to restart.
How do I know it's ClassicShell? Because I noticed whenever this starts to happen the "Up" arrow that is part of ClassicShell's Explorer tweaks disappears. So I uninstalled ClassicShell from one person's computer and left it on the rest. Everyone else continued to have the problem but the person we uninstalled ClassicShell from did not. Believe me when I tell you we have been repeating this test for WEEKS.
I have no idea how ClassicShell would affect that but my guess is the IE9 part of it. We all have IE9 but even if we use FireFox or Chrome we still get the 7 second hang time. I wish I had more to tell you to go on but I don't. It took me forever to track this down and I am confident it is ClassicShell that is the culprit. PLEASE can you look into this? I really don't want to uninstall ClassicShell but I might have to. Thanks guys.
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
Internet Explorer 9.0
Dell Optiplex9010 i7-3770 16GB RAM
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Hi - this is CodeProject. We're a code sharing website dedicated to providing a forum for software developers to share code, knowledge and tips.
You may want to go have a chat to the lads at Classic Shell[^]
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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LOL sorry, thought this was for them. :-/
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Chris,
When we paste a hyperlink in forums it auto hyperlinks along with a new window tab. Why isn't this feature available for commenting in Quick Answers section?
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep!
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You've been testing markup on the production server again, or some strange markup has crept into one of the answers! This response contains the bulk of the page http://www.codeproject.com/Forums/1725/Database.aspx[^]
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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The problem appears to be in kankeyan's post[^]:
select*from <Table Name> for xml path (
<br />
select*from <Table Name> for xml path (
<br />
select*from <Table Name> for xml raw<br />
<br />
try like this there are more formats<br />
The browser is seeing the three <Table Name> instances as the start of a new table, which is messing up the forum table.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Obeying user's custom HTML is a security vulnerability too.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep!
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Nah I still think it is CM experimenting on the production servers!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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while editing a question. It won't allow me to select C#. Therefore, the selected text in the question, never formats.
Latest Chrome. Windows 7
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Today, I got wrong message from system.When I submit my answer it says that "We have tried to add your answer 3 times without success. Our servers are just a little overworked. Sorry" with red words on the top. Then, I resubmit it again, I thought I have not submit my answer, while after I submit it,there are two same answer below the question. So I have to delete one, such a thing happens not once? I think it is better to be solved.
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