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I am thinking of looking for a new job. This is hideous
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The thinking is hideous?
Or are you looking for a hideous job?
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Please don't swear at me - this is the Lounge.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Yes, that's hideous!
(are there no end users that could do that when the product is shipped?  )
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The problem is...it's going to take a month or more to find a job, work out your notice and start your new job.
And all that time you will be doing the thing that drove you to leave (along with any other nasty jobs that come up, since you are leaving anyway).
So you will be starting the new job about the same time that you'd be getting into something more interesting in your current one, wouldn't you?
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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This is true. In the meantime the business could decide that UI test automation is a complete and utter waste of time and effort and money 
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And the new company could decide that since you already know how to do it it's got to be worth a try... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I used to use Crystal Reports in the 90s and it was on my CV which I have not updated in a decade. I recently got a job offer in Sydney doing CR in VB.net, be careful what you wish for!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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If you've got the right tools, I've found it can be quite fun. But if you're doing it manually, yeah, that is hideous.
I had fun writing some custom code for testing WPF UI's recently. Took me down quite a few interesting rabbit holes which confirmed in my mind how poorly architected WPF actually is, but regardless, I got the UI test automation working in its own thread without any nasty "Sleep" calls. It's a solid testing framework and I'm quite proud of it actually.
Marc
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WPF I could probably cope with - this is HTML/ASP.net (which I have no experience in whatsoever)
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RugbyLeague wrote: this is HTML/ASP.net
Yum. Working with Cucumber/Capybara in Ruby on Rails is pretty cool. There's some equivalent (I'd give you a link but my google-fu is lacking at the moment) for ASP.NET integration testing that, if I did ASP.NET development, I would definitely look into. What tools are you guys using?
Marc
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RugbyLeague wrote: Selenium/Gherkin
Ah yes, that's what I was thinking of.
Marc
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Many moons ago, before white man come kill all buffalo...
~~~ :wavy hand thing: ~~~
Some bright numptous brain decided to write an autotesting hook for our UI. It required hooks to be added into myriad different places in the code base - which obliviously went undocumented and so didn't get added in.
The idea was that they could build a test version of the front end container that would use all these hooks for auto testing.
... except testing needed to be done against the release build
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I am too. I am trying to figure out why this isn't QA's job. What is their job anyway?
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Pualee wrote: I am trying to figure out why this isn't QA's job. What is their job anyway?
To publicise your results.
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
JimmyRopes
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I'm desperately trying to find a down vote link for that! 
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Is anybody here watching this show? It is on AMC, Sunday nights in the US.
It is loosely based on the birth of the Compaq portable IBM PC clone in the early 80s. Set in Texas.
I am finding it extremely fun to identify with engineers and software nerds on tv.
It is, of course, not a 100% match to the 80s experience, but I am finding it pretty good fun and no-one to talk to about it.
Anybody else? What do you think?
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Nope, never heard of it.
If it hits this side of the pond, I might catch it.
But...I miss the old Assembler instructions: HCF, XPI, CAI, WJP, RPI
For the young, a translation. These were Machine Code instructions which executed directly on processors (in this case IBM) in big mainframe computers. Generally three letters, they were acronyms for memorable phrases.
HCF Halt and Catch Fire
XPI eXecute Programmer Immediate
CAI Corrupt Accounting Information
WJP Write and Jam Printer
RPP Read Printer Paper
Regrettably, we don't have direct access to all of these any more.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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The RCA CDP 1802 had the SEX (Set X) command.
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It did - but geeks could only type it with one hand for some reason... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Yeah, I've been watching it; it's kind of fun, except for this last week - the lead engineer hunting up a cabbage patch doll for 20 minutes - what was that? It was the first episode that didn't remotely move the story along and left me worried that it's stalled. This last episode was a real snore-fest for me, and has left me debating to whether or not to watch the next.
My favorite part was the 10 second wait while they all stood around the old familiar hum of an old power supply warming up, waiting for a POST.
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dexterama wrote: My favorite part was the 10 second wait while they all stood around the old familiar hum of an old power supply warming up, waiting for a POST.
You're not selling it to me... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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That Cabbage Patch hunt was a nostalgia trip for the folks that aren't into the tech stuff. I'm not sure it is enough for them.
That is one example where the show is not 100% about the engineering theme.
I'm having fun with all of it. My cousin had a mazda like the marketing guy's. With the flippy-up headlights. That is a mazda, right? RX-7?
I'm not sure what car the engineer is driving. A toyota maybe, but it has a little bit of a look like an old Saab. But his character doesn't seem like a saab driver to me.
And the code girl is not recognizable to me. But I like her anyway. In fact, the first thing that I thought in the pilot ep was that they *never* would have picked a girl for that job.
But the way the depicted IBMers in their intimidating blue suits at least resembled the way I remember thinking of IBM: an elite club. I like the way that ep broke that down.
I enjoyed the celebratory feel when they turned the thing on for the first time. Nobody every gets that outwardly happy anymore when we reach a milestone.
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