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MehGerbil wrote: I've been convinced for quite some time now that most people don't need a cell phone much less a smart phone
Most people don't need a car, either.
Care to elaborate on why I don't need something that allows me to make a phone call, or text a friend, or lookup stuff while I'm out (eg shopping comparisons, heated debate closers, addresses we seem to have just lost). Also not sure why I have no need of a GPS since I'm geographically challenged. It's true - I'm useless with directions. Or music? There's no need for me to have music on the go? Movies I can watch while travelling? Books to read during downtime?
Or the fact that my morning ritual is reading the news in bed - far easier than actually getting out of bed to get the paper that's been thrown into a wasps' nest during a thunderstorm.
The calendar that I live and breath by, the weather reports that can, almost literally, save my life when I'm out cycling, my Strava app to record my rides, my authenticator that saves me carrying multiple 2FA keyfobs, my WordLens app to enable me to read signs and menus while in other countries, take photos of the places I go, the people I meet, and of course Google Docs / iCloud / OneDrive apps so when I get that "Argh - I need help!" call from someone in the office I can review and edit the documents directly.
Then again maybe I'm not "most people".
My phone is with me at all times but only used when I need it. I don't walk down streets texting. I don't sit in restaurants tweeting with the person across the table. I don't actually spend much time on the actual phone.
My smartphone isn't critical to getting work and stuff done. It is critical to getting it done efficiently enough that I can actually get all of it done, and as a bonus it makes my travelling life far, far richer.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Amen.
As usual, written better than I would have, too!
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Chris Maunder wrote: Most people don't need a car, either.
If we agree then there isn't much reason to elaborate.
That said, until I successfully take over the world you've no need to justify your ownership of a phone to me.
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OK, but I'm not sure how this will work one I successfully take over the world.
Time share?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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How about I control the entire world but make you the Internet Czar?
I mean, you wouldn't take over the world for non-internet related things would you?
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If you can give me control of all road users and roads in general then we have a deal.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: If you can give me control of all road users and roads in general then we have a deal.
As long as I'm immune to whatever goofy things you decide to enact you've got yourself a deal.
After I'm world ruler I probably won't be leaving my private island much anyways...
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That link to the Windows App Store Cesspool is really great. Can't believe M$ is allowing that to go on.
Very informative. Thx.
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newton.saber wrote: Can't believe M$ is allowing that to go on.
Why not?  I can!
Here is how I see it went.
MS had an image problem: the Windows Store cupboard was bare, compared to the Apple and Google offerings. So when Window Phone was released, they assumed (possibly rightly) that without lots of apps to choose from, people wouldn't buy the phone - regardless of whether or not they would load the app or run it anyway!
So rather than help developers to produce good apps quickly (remember MS thinks developers are a "necessary evil" at best, and "pond scum" at worst) they decided not to moderate the store at all. After all, they get a cut of every paid-for app anyway, even if it is malware! Quicker, easier, more cost efficient - and that's MS all the way these days: cash is king and to heck with users!
I could be wrong: I could just be a cynical old fart. But...
You looking for sympathy?
You'll find it in the dictionary, between sympathomimetic and sympatric
(Page 1788, if it helps)
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Quote: I could be wrong: I could just be a cynical old fart. But...
Quite a valid point. Nothing Cynical about it! They need an app store full to compete with Apple & Google, a store that is full sells more phones...
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I think you are right on target with that analysis.
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OriginalGriff wrote: So rather than help developers to produce good apps quickly (remember MS thinks developers are a "necessary evil" at best, and "pond scum" at worst) they decided not to moderate the store at all.
But, but, but... it wasn't too long ago Apple was EVIL because they moderated their app store. My how things have changed. 
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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I never said that!
Mind you, I don't use Apple products... 
You looking for sympathy?
You'll find it in the dictionary, between sympathomimetic and sympatric
(Page 1788, if it helps)
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I've said this before but Microsoft's tablet venture would have been much more successful without a 'Store'...they should have done what they always have in the past and given developers as much freedom as possible...by trying to imitate Apple and Google, they doomed themselves.
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DaveX86 wrote: they should have done what they always have in the past and given developers as much freedom as possible.
Bow does a store stop this? (or do you meant the process involved in submitting apps to a store?)
Whether or not it's a store, there absolutely needs to be a central registry of apps that allow you to sort out the wheat from the chaff.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Why does there have to be a central registry?...I can build an EXE file now and give it to whoever I want?...just do the App equivalent?...why can't you have the usual anti-virus / anti-malware that looks at EXE's look at Apps?
You can manually install an *.APK file in Android without the Store...
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DaveX86 wrote: Why does there have to be a central registry
For security and safety.
OK, so it's not a "must have" for a user. For a platform, though, it is. People need to trust it. Users just want to see lots of apps that look useful and try them all instead of seeing lots of apps and thinking "will it steal my credit info?", "is it just a scam app?".
It's not a technical issue, it's a social issue.
(and yes, Android can install anything. This is why 97% of all new exploits target Android[^])
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Well it's a departure from 'The Microsoft Way' that made them so successful...they adopted 'The Apple Way' and it didn't work out for them. The thing that made Microsoft so popular was technically proficient people like us who figured things out and helped everyone out with it...that's gone, now they want a centralized support model like Apple...all Apple people call Apple Support...I've never called Microsoft support in my life and I started with DOS.
Android is targeted the most by hackers because they are the clear market winner: http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp[^]
...hackers always target the most successful platform where they can get the most bang for their efforts...used to be Windows...
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I would argue that hackers target the platform that provides them the best return on their development investment.
If a single iOS intrusion resulted in 10X "revenue" to a given Android intrusion (to make up numbers) then there'd be 10X effort put into Apple. If it's 1000 times harder (again, to pick a number) then the 10X effort won't be enough and so effort would be redirected back to Android.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Your argument makes sense if the hacking community only goes after Americans, as that's where the biggest Apple saturation is.
I can't pretend to know how the economics of hacking work or even how one applies for a job in it...if I only had time and energy to be a master of one platform, I would go for the most popular one.
Make sure to keep your Bluetooth turned off...hackers always 'Blue-jack' your phone...see it on Person of Interest all the time 
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I personally prefer a tin-foil hat.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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DaveX86 wrote: all Apple people call Apple Support
Where did that come from?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Do you know an Apple person who's never called Support?
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DaveX86 wrote: Do you know an Apple person who's never called Support?
Myself, my wife, my daughter...
I have (a VERY long time ago) called Microsoft support though. Turns out it was a virus. 
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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All right, you win...it was an unfair generalization
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