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mark merrens wrote: Where are they being shafted? It was a democratic vote. The No vote won. End of story.
They're being shafted because they're being deceived.
They get told there is a new car behind door #1.
They get told there is a new boat behind door #2.
They vote, thinking they get a choice between a car and a boat, but regardless of the choice they get a pie in the face and never get a car or a boat.
This happens all of the time in the USA.
We get a whole slew of new representatives that were elected to do A,B,C but then they go off and do X,Y,Z and use fat kick backs to keep the lie machine running. Democracy is absolutely dependent upon the truth and not only is the truth NEVER told anymore but I doubt we'd recognize it if we saw it. It is impossible to elect a 'representative' if they all lie and then insulate themselves from blowback by buying votes. Lies turn any system to horse sh*t.
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I think you have this wrong. It was straight yes or no on do you want to Scotland to part company with England. I would imagine the choice was emotional for many people and the various stupid arguments put forward by both sides were of no consequence.
Over and above that: what else would you suggest other than a free vote? How could it be decided? Perhaps a tossing the caber competition or a game of tiddlywinks or goat sacrifices? At some point you have to accept that the voting is over, move on. You may not like the result so work harder to swing it next time.
And the losing side will always feel deceived or that the winning side was deceived or that some poor bastard was deceived and it was probably me.
And we're all being shafted, all the time, by everyone else. That's life. Get over it.
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That's a very pig headed attitude that will only generate anger and resentment in the 45%.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: That's a very pig headed attitude that will only generate anger and resentment in the 45%.
How ridiculous. It was a democratic vote. Someone will be pissed off whoever one so go away and stop being a troll.
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That's a very pig headed attitude that will only generate anger and resentment in the 45%. 
Try this angle. Democracy is not about one group getting their way over others, but about all groups having their opinion heard and factored into a compromise suitable to all. Doesn't that work better?
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Doesn't that work better?
Might do but that doesn't happen in the real world - something a troll knows nothing about.
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That's the way it should work. Your suggestion creates partisan dissent and extremism.
mark merrens wrote: troll
sigh, same old lame insult. And clearly not heart felt since you have been partaking in a logical and calm discussion with me.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: That's the way it should work.
In utopia, perhaps, not the real world.
Munchies_Matt wrote: Your suggestion creates partisan dissent and extremism
That's just the way the world works - get over it - it isn't going to change.
Munchies_Matt wrote: sigh, same old lame insult.
If the cap fits. I could do fat_troll or munchies_troll. Which of those would you prefer?
Munchies_Matt wrote: since you have been partaking in a logical and calm discussion with me.
I never stopped: you were so busy with your hissy fits you failed to see reality, just as you are appearing to do now. The real world works he way it works; sure it would be nice if we could all get our own way and everyone was a winner and everyone was nice to everyone else and the world was fair and people didn't lie and there really was a sky fairy. Sh*t happens and people get pissed off, f***ed, screwed over, whatever.
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Life not working out for you Mark? You seem angry and resentful.
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So, no answer then. Thought so. Just a husk of a troll doing trolly things. fat_troll, that works for me. How about you?
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mark merrens wrote: So, no answer then
Sorry, was there a question in that tirade of desperate misery you wrote?
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Yes, but you were too dull to get it.
Munchies_Matt wrote: Sorry, was there a question in that tirade of desperate misery you wrote?
You really do live in a dream world, troll-boy.
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Ah, you mean that question, my eyes must have glazed over as I scanned your post.
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I'm surprised you can even read: always felt like you just make it up as you troll along.
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Gosh this is fun! /sarcasm
(see, thats how to use the tag...) 
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Tag for fat_troll: /troll
That's the only one you need.
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Holy sh*t you must be bored to want to keep this drivel going. Come on Mark, if you insist try to inject some interest in it for both our sakes.
...and how the hell do I take my language preference off French... the spell checker is goinng nuts...
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It helps me to think which is more than you ever do.
Munchies_Matt wrote: do I take my language preference off French
Why was it on that in the first place? Who wants to speak like a cheese-eating surrender monkey?
(knock yourself out: I'm off for the weekend).
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Wow, how did number of angry Scots drop by half?
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Whiskey... lots and lots of whiskey.
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45% of the 85% who voted are unhappy.
Well, some of them anyway.
Heard one bloke on the radio saying he voted yes and instantly regretted it so was glad no won.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Damn, that's got to say something about his intelligence!
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That's not bad.
It was 63%, before the referendum.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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