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Does anyone else have testers at their company that talk about testing and complain about the dev cycle more than they actually test? I swear, 75-80% of the time I walk over to the testers, they aren't actually testing anything. 
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Colin Mullikin wrote: Does anyone else have testers at their company
No, loads of testes though.
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Colin Mullikin wrote: they aren't actually testing anything.
Patience?
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Colin Mullikin wrote: I swear, 75-80% of the time I walk over to the testers, they aren't actually testing anything.
While going over there, you are not fixing bugs reported by the testers !!! 
Maybe they are just bitching while you are there!!!
I'd rather be phishing!
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Colin Mullikin wrote: they aren't actually testing anything
Oh they are testing. Testing your limits 
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They're just waiting for the results of the latest automated test run.
Allegedly.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: Allegedly.
Allegedly automatic, eh?
Life is too shor
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I had that on my work machine for years.
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Or waiting for Windows to reboot after trying to run his app.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Colin Mullikin wrote: Does anyone else have testers at their company
Colin Mullikin wrote: I walk over to the testers, they aren't actually testing anything.
I feel your pain. Testers in an Agile environment, makes for some heated arguments between both sides, and user stories not making it to release.
Our testers are attached to individual project management teams. So, some teams/testers are better than others.
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Take a deep breathe, you don't want to be testikiller.
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Colin Mullikin wrote: Does anyone else have testers at their company
None here.
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I've worked with good testers as well as bad, but they've always been busy.
Good ones busy doing good testing, bad ones busy doing bad testing, but alwasy busy
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I usually face this..
Irritating but still sometime helpful..
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I won't watch it there, either.
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Well, I guess I'd better start porting stuff over to a different technology.
I'm using VS 2010 and our business will be using Windows 7 for the foreseeable future.
Should I jump up to VS20XX and port over to whatever?
This stuff doesn't need to be on the web - I'm sure I don't know where to go with this one.
I definitely don't want to do HTML.
Thoughts?
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Stuck on Windows 7? Then WPF and click once?
Otherwise WinRT seems promising for the desktop on Windows 10 and is quite a similar API (WPF->Silverlight->WinRT all are very similar in spirit)
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What version of VS do you think would be a good place to be right now?
Can I do development for Win 7 in the latest version of VS?
Windows forms?
I've only just begun to look into these things.
Guess what I'll be doing over the next year.
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WPF, Winforms (although I wouldn't recommend this for any green field development), and web all work in the latest version of VS and can be deployed down to any supported version of Windows.
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MehGerbil wrote: Thoughts?
I'm thinking;
Change out the sea water lift pump early 1Q15
Align the TR dampers u/g with the accom u/g on a per wing basis.
Shift the XV c/out on the crude pump to the 1H MP W/wash
Align the Lub Console upgrade to the MP 2H w/wash
but have a feeling that wont help you much decide... 
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I've considered that strategy but I've read some accounts of O-rings going bad well before people have had a chance to get around to the 1H MP W/wash. I'm not willing to work weekends to keep up with that nightmare.
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