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Michael Martin wrote:
Can I just stick them into the plastic connector holes for testing?
So long as you can do so without them touching each other, or accidentally touching adjacent contacts, yes. It isn't easy to get them that far into the power connectors, though, which is why I find a paper clip handy.
The more I think about it the more convinced I am that there's a short somewhere... the behavior of the power supply, lights, and supply fan is exactly what should happen when a short is present. The supply detects an excess current flow at startup and quickly shuts itself down; it won't do that indefinitely without damage. Something you can do while at home is to disconnect everything from the supply except one connector (switching supplies can become unstable with no load); the floppy disk drive is a good one to leave connected. Turn on the supply and observe the results. Shut down and connect another device, then repeat the power cycle. Make notes of which item you connect each time and, as the list grows it will become obvious which device has the problem - most likely it's the MB, but it could be one of the fans, too. Fans (and most inductive components), along with diodes and resistors, usually fail by opening. Transistors, ICs, and capacitors usually fail by shorting.
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OK, I'm a real slow learner with a memory alzheimers patient wouldn't accept.
In you post before the post I'm replying too (are you confused yet), you mentioned disconnecting the MB and seeing if the power supply fired. Even though I had previously explained this was an ATX power supply and needed to be plugged into the MB to work I still agreed to try it. Of course it didn't work and I could have slapped myself when I looked at the board. If it was an AT power supply your test would have been great.
I didn't get much of a chance to tinker tonight as I was sent on a sh*tty errand by my wife tonight an it wasted 2.5 hours of my life.
Tomorrow (maybe night) I will pull the MB out of the machine like I did tonight. Instead of just checking all the connections and unscrewing the MB to check for cracks and that the little metal feet that hold it off the case weren't touching what they shouldn't. I will sit it on a piece of cardboard so I know it can't be shorting. I will also get a paperclip and merrily play away as per your instructions.
Failing that I will just walk into a nicely setup programming company, whack some programmer up the side of the head with a keyboard and take their computer and save myself the hassle.
Michael Martin
Australia
mjm68@tpg.com.au
"I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end."
- Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Oops, you're right - I totally forgot the soft start on the ATX supply. It's an active low signal on the supply connector. If you locate pin 14 on the 20-pin power connector and short it to ground (either pin 13 or 15, adjacent to it) the supply will be enabled. Leaving it open or connecting it to +5V will disable it.
That also brings to mind another possible problem source; if this line is being pulled high on the MB, or isn't making a clean connection, that too could cause the symptoms you describe. Check the condition of pin 14 on the cabla and the MB looking for a bent or missing pin, or a broken trce on the MB.
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It tolls for thee..."
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Roger Wright wrote:
Oops, you're right - I totally forgot the soft start on the ATX supply. It's an active low signal on the supply connector. If you locate pin 14 on the 20-pin power connector and short it to ground (either pin 13 or 15, adjacent to it) the supply will be enabled. Leaving it open or connecting it to +5V will disable it.
Stop showing off Roger and speak VB to me.  Do you mean simply placing a wire between pin 13 and 14 on the cable power connector or in some other way connecting them?
How do I tell which is pin 1. Assume I am looking at the cable side power connector viewing the female metal connectors. The little plastic latch thingy is on the left.
Roger Wright wrote:
That also brings to mind another possible problem source; if this line is being pulled high on the MB, or isn't making a clean connection, that too could cause the symptoms you describe. Check the condition of pin 14 on the cabla and the MB looking for a bent or missing pin, or a broken trce on the MB.
What does pulling high mean?
OK so check the end of the cable and make sure all the female connections are there and in good order. Also check the MB and ensure all the pins are there in the power conector.
What is trce meant to be when it is typed correctly.
01:15 here, off to bed once I reply to a couple of posts in the Lounge.
How did you know all this stuff about the power supply and other hardware type sh*t?
Michael Martin
Australia
mjm68@tpg.com.au
"I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end."
- Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Michael Martin wrote:
Do you mean simply placing a wire between pin 13 and 14
Yup. Any black wire on the connector will do, but 13 and 15 seemed to be least likely to cause other problems.
Michael Martin wrote:
How do I tell which is pin 1
There's a couple of ways - the easy one is to look at the MB for a '1' next to one of the connector pins and match that up with the plug. The other is to look at the wiring pattern on the connection. The ATX pinout is:
+3.3V(Org) 11 1 +3.3V(Org)
-12V(Blu) 12 2 +3.3V(Org)
GND(Blk) 13 3 GND(Blk)
PS-ON(Grn) 14 4 +5V(Red)
GND(Blk) 15 5 GND(Blk)
GND(Blk) 16 6 +5V(Red)
GND(Blk) 17 7 GND(Blk)
-5V(Wht) 18 8 PWR-OK(Gry)
+5V(Red) 19 9 5Vsb(Pur)
+5V(Red) 20 10 +12V(Yel)
Michael Martin wrote:
What is trce meant to be when it is typed correctly.
When typed correctly, trace means a copper path etched on the circuit board. Typed incorrectly it means Roger should have taken typing classes instead of wasting all those years learning engineering so he'd have a job today.
Michael Martin wrote:
How did you know all this stuff about the power supply and other hardware type sh*t?
Generally, a degree in electronics engineering. More specifically, a great book called "Troubleshooting, Maintaining, and Repairing PCs" by Stephen J. Bigelow.
Michael Martin wrote:
What does pulling high mean?
Raising a signal to a logic '1' voltage - 5 volts generally, though CPUs operate internally at a lower voltage.
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It tolls for thee..."
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i'm not a developer but i try to ask for help here.
i'm looking for any solution on change the built-in taskswitcher of windows. i know the stupid powertoy pack includes a taskswitcher but that one isn't working properly.
the window snapshot is a good idea in it but it's slow.
i tried enlightenment and found a few very useful things there (window metrics counter while resizing and moving windows, iconbox) --> i'm wondering is there any standalone taskbar replacement (like am productions' traymodule) which is similiar to enlightenment's iconbox. what about this windowmetrics counter? it's hard to believe there's nobody tried to port these functions to windoze.
thank you for your attention,
on
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I have tried to get some help from microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware with no luck so I thought I would try my fellow cpians.
I have a strange situation, I think, with an external hard drive.
I have an 80GB external firewire hard drive which I connect to my Sony Vaio
laptop running Windows XP Pro using a 6-pin to 4-pin cable. It appears that
Windows has located the drive just fine because I have been able to
initialize and format it and it shows up as drive F:. Two strange things are
happening though.
1. All of the text in Windows explorer with regards to the
external drive are blue. For example, the label "Disk (F:\)" in the "folders
pane" is blue, the text for folders in the right pane are blue etc. Does
this mean something?
2. If I start my computer with the hard drive connected
and turned on Windows will run Check Disk in an endless loop. So, I have to
start the computer, then when Windows is all booted up I can then turn on
the hard drive.
Does anyone have any insight into this? 
Mark Sanders
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Mark Sanders wrote:
1. All of the text in Windows explorer with regards to the
external drive are blue. For example, the label "Disk (F:\)" in the "folders
pane" is blue, the text for folders in the right pane are blue etc. Does
this mean something?
I think you will find that Windows has formatted the drive and enabled compression. To test this Right Click on the F:\ and then click on Properties. I think you will find that at the bottom there will be a selected check box next to Compress drive to save disk space. If you unselect this and click Apply and wait a while the compression capablity will be turned off and the colour will return to black.
The blue colouring is caused by a selection made in Folder Options. Under the View tab is a selection Display compressed files and folders with alternate color.
All in all harmless but best to turn it off as you have 80GB anyway and if you connect it to another computer it may not be able to read it.
Mark Sanders wrote:
2. If I start my computer with the hard drive connected
and turned on Windows will run Check Disk in an endless loop. So, I have to
start the computer, then when Windows is all booted up I can then turn on
the hard drive.
No idea, sounds weird though.
Michael Martin
Australia
mjm68@tpg.com.au
"I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end."
- Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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Windows file explorer in blue means "shared"
The other thing ??????
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No. In NT/2K/XP, it means "compressed to save space".
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Is there a way to stop an application from trying to reinstall? I have applied the patch for MSDE and everytime I register a server for DCOM the box pops up trying to install MSDE. the thing is MSDE runs fine and is fully installed.
John
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By default, XP HE only has simple file sharing enabled. The user can then manually enable regular file sharing. In my installation program, I would like to determine if this is the case, and then tell the user how to enable regular file sharing.
Is there any way to programatically detect if simple file sharing is the only method available? I think the settings are stored in the SAM portion of the registry - so that is out. But I thought there might be a way to infer this information.
Thanks,
Mike
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I need to do an install of a VFW codec and because of the particular circumstances I need it to happen via a RunOnce registry entry.
The problem is that command line I put in the registry entry doesn't work but the same command line works fine from a shell.
"rundll32.exe setupapi.dll,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall 132 c:\progra~1\path\to\my\inffile.inf"
I get a message that it
"Cannot find the file "rundll32.exe setupapi.dll,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall 132 c:\progra~1\path\to\my\inffile.inf" (or one of its components).
What am I screwing up?
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Remove the quotes in the registry entry. The message is saying that Windows is treating the entire command line as one filename.
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Hmmm. That's curious. I was sure that I read somewhere in the MSDN pages that the entry had to have quotes around it.
Oh well. I'll give that a go. Thanks.
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Actually, I think I read the same thing. But just looking at the message it's giving you gives me the impression that it's interpreting the whole string as a filename. It's worth a try without the quotes; if that doesn't work, I'd even venture a try with just the filename in quotes and the parameters listed after without them. It probably won't work any worse than it does now.
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It tolls for thee..."
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Hello im on Win2k, and i would like to get/change users password through Visual C++. I tried NetUserChangePassword( domain, user, oldpwd, newpwd ) but it returns me a 'Cannot access domain info', so i tried NetUserChangePassword( NULL, NULL, oldpwd, newpwd ) which returns me 'Invalid password' everytime. sigh
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Try using RunAs to execute it with Admin priveleges.
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dont repeat the messages!
I was born intelligent
Education ruined me!.
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I have a client who is installing an NT Service on a W2K server in a Novell network. The can install but are unable to start the service. I don't have any Novell experience...yet!
My gut reaction is that Novell may require the user the service runs under to have some special permissions. Any ideas or guidence on where to look to solve this?
Thanks,
ed
Regulation is the substitution of error for chance.
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Bull it has recovered. Recently I started to get this error message…
Windows has detected and recovered from a device failure. Please save your work and reboot to restore full functionality. OK?
No, it's not ok darn it. If you were so darn smart to detect and RECOVER from the error can you kindly please tell me WHAT CAUSED it?
This error leaves my system running but in a video mode that I would not wish on my mothers computer (320X200 @ 16 colors).
Anyone have any ideas?
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-6VTXD
CPU: Dual PIII 1Ghz
RAM: 2Gig
Chipset: VIA Apollo Pro 133T
Sound: On board AC'97
Video: All-In-Wonder Radeon 7500
OS: Windows XP SP1
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"Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
If the physicists find a universal theory describing the laws of universe, I'm sure the a**hole constant will be an integral part of that theory.
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Sorry, I can't help you out, but:
Ray Cassick wrote:
Windows has detected and recovered from a device failure. Please save your work and reboot to restore full functionality.
If the stupid thing has recovered, why should you reboot? I remember getting a similar one:
"Windows has recovered from an undetected error."
Smart. Real smart. How did it know there's an error if the error is undetected? Plus, how could it recover?
Regards,
Vikram.
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"Do not give redundant error messages again and again." - A classmate of mine, while giving a class talk on error detection in compiler design.
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It sounds like Windows detected a corrupted video driver and replaced it. Rebooting is supposed to unload the damaged code and replace it with the fresh copy. It rarely works. Try re-installing the video card software from the original CD or, better yet, download the latest version from the manufacturer's website.
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It tolls for thee..."
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Yeah, I was going to do that anyway. Actually it is time for my yearly reinstall of the system. I was just hoping that there would be some cool hidden log file somewhere that would tell me WAHT was broken.
It is so strange... All the software that I build is fully instrumented so that I can get logs from people and know exactly how the app was running at the time of a crash. I really wonder why Windows does not have something similar. Sure there is SQL tracing and Tapi tracing, but nothing in the OS itself.
Hmmmmm. Maybe if I loaded the debug symbols and attached via a remote debugger.
Paul Watson wrote:
"At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote:
"Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
If the physicists find a universal theory describing the laws of universe, I'm sure the a**hole constant will be an integral part of that theory.
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