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I never doubted that. Glad I never paid money for that shtuff.
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OK, so what I'll do is, just before the Win 10 release, I'll grab a Win 7 torrent and install it on all my XP machines (but not on the Vista machine, because I like it the way it is).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Seems overly optimistic to me. My projected timeline looks like:
2015-2018: 3 years wasted trying to convince MS, Apple, Google, etc to add us govt root certificates to their OS repositories by default.
2018-2019: 1 year wasted writing an RFP for a contract to provide commercial certificates to the US govt.
2019-2020: I year wasted bidding on the RFP.
2020-2022: 2 years wasted resolving all the protests by CAs that lost the bid.
2022-2026: 4 years wasted pushing through all the contracts needed to update the eleventy zillion websites that were written by contractors and which didn't have a maintenance contract in place to allow the upgrade.
2027: US govt sites are all HTTPS enabled.
meanwhile....
2021: HTTPS becomes obsolete and is replaced with something else. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: 2021: HTTPS becomes obsolete and is replaced with something else.
I was thinking the same thing. 
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Well, at least they're not trying to ban HTTPS altogether[^]! 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I have a browser plugin which forces the web to SSL where available, and you would be amazed at the amount of websites where they have purchased an SSL certificate, but the actual website falls to pieces when you actually try and use the HTTPS version of their website.
It's not bloody difficult! 
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Emsisoft (AV software maker) study of the percentages of PUPs (potentially unwanted programs) that popular download sites, like download.com, and tucows.com, bundle with their downloads: [^].
The only "eye-opener" for me in the study was this comment about SourceForge:
"SourceForge may do a good job at keeping their top ten applications PUP-free; however, some PUPs are delivered through optional installs per the freeware vendors choice. Sourceforge provides software developers the option to make cash with their freeware through software bundles, and apparently some software vendors chose to do so as you can see in the above screenshot with the popular Sourceforge application FileZilla."
«To kill an error's as good a service, sometimes better than, establishing new truth or fact.» Charles Darwin in "Prospero's Precepts"
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Few platforms draw the same amount of ire as ASP.NET (or .NET in general) from the development community. "In time we hate that which we often fear."
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Qn-Why I don't like such article?
Ans-Because it's contentless.
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That's supposed to be my flame for clickbait drivel...
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Kent Sharkey wrote: "In time we hate that which we often fear."
or don't understand!
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0
When you are dead you don't know it, it's only difficult for others.
It's the same when you're stupid.
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I'ma dyed-in-the-wool ASP.NET developer. I've been using it (and loving it) since 2005. It pays my bills and endless supply of Champagne and caviar.
But I do wonder why (it appears, at least) no globally successful sites use it?
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Probably the same reason why no globally successful site uses windows hosting.
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EveryNameIsTakenEvenThisOne wrote: Probably the same reason why no globally successful site uses windows hosting.
What is the reason for that though?
Is it down to cost, reputation, reliability, security, something else? Do you foresee things changing with ASP.NET MVC 6?
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Think price is a factor. You can rent Linux webservers for cheaper (here in SA) than Windows based.
I do hope with the open source movement of .net, we'll get more ASP.net sites..
And asp.net pay the bills. Way Better IMHO than php etc.
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The price difference isn't that much on Azure these days, but I'm not sure what's available in SA?
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Yes, I think it's down to cost (massive licensing fees), reputation(If it works, you did not turn it on), reliability(Do I really need to say anything?) and I can't really comment on security as my opinion would be biased a lot :P
I don't think that ASP vNext or the next few iterations will change it a lot. They first have to battle the stigma they carry along.
Don't get me wrong tough, I'd always use ASP over PHP, I love ASP.NET
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I think with cloud services like Azure the cost difference isn't so great. The problems with OpenSSL has shown that Linux and Apple aren't as secure as people like to believe (I'm a big Apple fan, btw).
You're probably right about the stigma though - it takes people a long time to move on. It's a shame as ASP.NET MVC is really good these days (the old WebForms way of doing things also probably didn't help establish ASP.NET either).
I keep taking a look at other technologies like Ruby on Rails, and occasionally revisiting PHP, but I don't see anything there to tempt me away from ASP.NET.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Security is a subject I rather not talk about because you can never say something is secure. You can secure it but it will never be secure.
Talking about security is talking about an abstract idea.
PHP, Ruby, Pearl,... nothing could drive me away from ASP.NET. Have you seen the performance of out of the box PHP? It's horrible! I don't get how such a "slow" framework got that much success or better, how does it keep its ranking? Oh yeah, it's free and runs anywhere. It has a lot documentation, everything has been done, resources are available in masses. ASP.NET still lacks some of it.
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I started web development with PHP - it was okay, certainly better than "classic" ASP.
I think that's part of the problem people have with ASP.NET, the "ASP" bit in the name. That plus the WebForms way of doing things.
The way ASP.NET MVC is these days, I wouldn't choose anything else, but it's been a long time getting here! 
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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There aren't any Facebooks or Twitters running ASP.NET that I'm aware of. But last I recall SO runs a flavor of it, and that gets plenty of traffic (what I'm assuming is your measure of 'globally successful').
There's also the cost of the tools to consider. These huge sites (FB, Twitter, Amazon, et al.) were developed quite some time ago. Long before MS offered any significant tooling free of charge. PHP, Java, JS dev tooling has always been lower cost. You've already discussed hosting costs in another thread, but also remember the timing - Azure is competitive today, but not back when these huge sites went live.
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That's a good point about the tools. I think Microsoft missed something when making Visual Studio so expensive. It's a lot better price-wise these days and good to see the Community Edition free of charge. They've probably lost a lot of business in the meantime.
I wasn't aware SO runs on ASP.NET, that's cool that there's at least one well known site running on it 
Vark111 wrote: Azure is competitive today, but not back when these huge sites went live.
Hopefully given the changes currently going on with ASP.NET we'll see a lot more coming online. Fingers crossed.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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