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Don't trust them. 
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha
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loctrice wrote: I'm probably going to have to scoot my start date up at the other place now so I don't have a big gap in the paycheck.
that can be offset by a big sum of the paychecks.
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Your name is already mud there: quit, walk and start the other job early. You owe those people nothing.
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Yup they are having me finish my notice off site after I close up one of the projects that need done.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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Never for get that it's just business. If they decided one day that they no longer needed you, they'd toss you out and not lose a moments sleep over it.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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It's a good bet they wouldn't give notice either.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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I'm not even sure why as American we always feel the need to give notice (not sure if that's the norm in other countries). If the company was laying you off, they'd give you no notice most of the time.
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Albert Holguin wrote: I'm not even sure why as American we always feel the need to give notice
Its called not burning bridges.
Albert Holguin wrote: not sure if that's the norm in other countries
In my experience... it's pretty much the same (in the UK / Western Europe at least).
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Its called not burning bridges.
Thanks Capt. Obvious. I meant why it's such a one-sided deal.
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Albert Holguin wrote: why it's such a one-sided deal.
It's pretty obvious... 
- Employees sometime quit with no notice.
- Employers sometimes pay severance or even help with employment services.
- The risks of sabotage by "fired" employees hanging around for a couple weeks is substantial.
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Yeah, I've always been curious about that as well. Normally when someone is let go, they have no idea it's coming. In some cases they are even immediately escorted out. Yet we are actually expected to give notice.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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Albert Holguin wrote: not sure if that's the norm in other countries
I worked as a contractor in the UK for many years and all of my contracts had a notice period built in (usually a month). If they wanted me out they could ask me to leave the premises immediately but would be contractually obligated to pay out the notice period. Similarly, if I gave notice I would have to be content to turn up every day for a month, if required (I did do that once and they asked me to leave immediately but still paid me out. Took a couple of weeks off and brought forward the start date of the next gig - tally-ho!). As a perm employee there are more protections in place but, certainly, the notion of at-will employment does not, afaik, exist in the UK any more, if you have been employed for more than a year or two. (Others may correct, confirm or add detail to that).
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See that seems more fair to me... if one-side is bound by some obligation, the other side should be as well.
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Indeed, plus there is also contractual reciprocity; what's good for the goose, etc. Courts in the UK take a dim view of one sided employment contracts.
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Karel Čapek wrote: Courts in the UK take a dim view of one sided employment contracts
In the US it seems to be the norm sadly.
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Here (France/Germany), it is the law.
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Which part? Giving notice? ...does that apply to both parties (employee/employer)? ...because in the U.S. they'll just escort you out of the building the same day they told you a lot of times.
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Yes, both. For instance, I have to notice two months before I leave, my employer has to notify me six months before throwing me out.
A former colleague of mine worked in an American company based in Germany, and they had to cut off some staff, so did exactly what you described and escorted a bunch of employees, including her, out of the building on the day of the notice. They probably did not realize that the law was a bit different here ! The former employees sued the company and they got quite a lot of money from that action !
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That's actually pretty good... I'd think you'd want to give employees plenty of notice to find another job. Think it's paranoia that makes American employers do that, they think you'd sabotage something.
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I actually have had two jobs altogether and when I got laid off from the first job, they didn't give me a notice, but they paid me 2 weeks for each year I've had at that company plus the oustanding vacation, which was a nice lump sum (16 weeks or 4 months pay).
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Yeah, think that's pretty standard for salaried positions.
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String him up!
He uses 1TBS! 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Robert Vandenberg Huang wrote: The world could be better if we have more politicians like him
Yes, because he can show proof of something he stated earlier in public. Otherwise, I don't need any politician to know how to program, but I do require them to know how to run the country.
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I'm curious how it works - I can't tell much from the image.
I got interested in Sudoku, originally, because I wanted to build a solver. At first it worked (usually w/3 or 4 passes), but then more difficult puzzles were introduced and it failed. Adding more algorithms quickly got out of hand with their own complexity.
Looking into it further, it seemed at the time that puzzles were generated (and solved) in a trial-and-error fashion. Very disappointing. Other interesting things were that, at a minimum, seventeen values are required to have a solvable puzzle (necessary, but not necessarily sufficient). Sometime I wonder if a puzzle is actually solvable as given: it's only possible if there's only one solution. The computer method of solving doesn't (didn't) require this.
FWIW: My own personal rules of play require no guessing trials: all values are to be filled in by deduction. (i.e., I do not take a guess, follow through, and if it fails, go back) Also, no notes in empty boxes. Finally, I work in pen. If I mess it up, there's always another bunch available the next day.
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