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[edit] No, that wasn't the job I turned down, hahaha [/edit]
So says Hillary (not worth a clickey).
Isn't that what hair color is for? I mean, they always doctor the Prez's hair depending on the state of the economy, the deployment of troops, the next Middle East crisis, whatever.
Marc
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For a moment I thought that was a quote from Obama 
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At first I thought you quoted Obama.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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What a racist!
#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Suggestions, advice, comments, personal experience, and discussion are invited and welcome.
Hoover's: Good Stuff
I spent some time on the phone, and a shared screen on my computer, with an agent of Hoover's, which is a Dun And Bradstreet company.
We discussed, and I was shown, how it works, what they can and cannot show me, cost, pricing, payment schemes, etc.
My immediate impression was: good stuff.
Bloomberg: Good Stuff
I spent some time on the phone with an agent from Bloomberg; also good stuff, though the price was something like 10x more than Hoover's.
LinkedIN: Big Maybe
LinkedIN does exist, but at the moment I'm not sure what, when, how, or even if, I could get anywhere near the same results.
Those are the only three business info services of which I am aware at this moment.
I'm thinking
Function Result(My_Time, My_Money, Their_Software, Their_Database, Unknown_Targets)
I searched for the words "Hoover" and "Bloomberg" here on CodeProject, Fascinating. Glanced over the first 10 or 20 results and didn't see this discussed; although I did see that we have more people here than I expected with Bloomberg Terminals. That surprised me quite a bit.
If you're one of those guys, tell me, from your own experience: Is Bloomberg going to deliver ten times better data than Hoover's ?
Plus, the bigger question: are there other companies whom I'm missing ?
These guys want (what I consider to be) significant money and a full year's commitment.
My recommendation will hold a lot of sway here, and I'm in totally unchartered waters with these guys. In that context, I need to make this choice with a lot of thought and a lot of sleep before we make the legal/financial step with either of these guys (or somebody else; ideas welcome).
While that's enough reason alone to be scared/careful/slow/cautious with this decision, even higher on the list is the fact that this is going to be a significantly contributing factor which affects my performance for the next year.
Anyone with personal experience is especially invited to chime in. Send me private messages here. Skype and the phone are available if you want.
With all that in mind, advice and opinions are welcome.
modified 28-May-15 15:46pm.
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C-P-User-3 wrote: Is Bloomberg going to deliver ten times better data than Hoover's ?
I hear that their chat feature is the most popular feature. 
Marc
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bling wrote: You didn't state your needs.
Hmmm, good question.
I guess the short answer is: Business Intelligence
Immediately reading those two words, that's almost like not answering the question.
We want to know, when we get contacted by a certain company whom we've never encountered before, just what kind of person and company wants to speak with us.
e.g., size of company, how long in business, markets, customers, competitors, and the color of the carpets in the hallways; those sorts of things.
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Dun & Bradstreet
#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Yep.
Hoover's is part of them; they are on the ins with each other.
I think Hoover's vacuums data from the Dun And Bradstreet database.
That demonstration which that girl and Hoover's showed me almost had me sold on the spot.
Really good stuff.
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She must've sucked really good then... 
#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Steady on. Remember the Kid sister rule.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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 ehem
#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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bling wrote: Thomson Reuters
Good info. Thank you. Just the kind of stuff I wanted to know.
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Has anyone looked at MyLIFE[^] ?
They want $20 a month, half that for a year up front.
I couldn't understand what they are selling.
Mostly question marks floating around my head as I looked at various of their pages.
However, if it will help me find living humans, I'll pay it.
Has anyone used that site for a year or more ? Good stuff ? Bad stuff ?
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What type/frequency/age data are you looking for?
Basically live feeds are stupidly expensive.
Scrubbed +30s delayed not so much.
Thompson Reuters have a product called DataScope for which I have done some API work - wasn't worthy of an article but I can post the non-prop bits up if you are interested.
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote: live feeds are stupidly expensive.
You know your stuff, that's pretty obvious.
I didn't want to state that in those exact words, so, uhmmm,
Hey everybody ! He said it ! Not me !
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On the plus side it looks like you don't need stock prices and trade volumes just company / market / sector information. Thompson Reuters Datascope[^] allows you to get Reference Data and Legal Entity Data so worth adding them to your price comparison.
Also - it might be worth looking on the free sources (like Open legal entity identifier system[^]) to see how much they cover.
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My previous comment: Good call.
Sorry, bad call now.
I put my name and phone number into their "Contact Us" webpage form, three different times over the past several days.
Only response: an auto-bot sent me a confirmation E-Mail.
No living humans are accessible at Thomson Reuters.
I still thank you for your thoughts and attempts to get me somewhere. Guess it'll be Hoover's.
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I clicked. I looked. I read. I increased the font size so that I could read with more meaning. I clicked on a link to the home page.
After several minutes of that kind of stuff, my brain had only one thought: "Huh ?"
What is that ? What was I looking at ? What does any of that mean ?
As you might infer, my days in the stock market were mostly way back when some company delivered mutual fund data on floppy disks; Ms.Dos 3.0 compatible and whatnot, through the U.S.Mail.
Whatever, whatever, could that site be used to find groups of companies who are active in the same or similar industries ?
modified 6-Jun-15 15:52pm.
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Just came across a page on http://www.BusinessWeek.com
Not sure what to make of it.
The page I saw had data that looked like the sort of info I am trying to track down.
Exactly what path I followed to find it; don't really remember, and it's getting bedtime which means abandon the internet for a minimum of one hour.
They seem to be on the ins with Bloomberg; exactly what the arrangement is; I'm not smart enough to figure out at this moment.
Anybody who understands what's going on with this; thanks for letting me know.
Besides, I need to konk out.
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So wrote the HR head of hiring (no, not a recruiter, but the actual HR person of the company) when I turned down their employment offer. They were at least $20K shy of the industry average in this area and were "only" (IMO) offering a high deductible health care package and vestment in a few thousand shares of stock that might sell at $30-$40 / share if the company ever went public or got bought out. Company (~7 years old) is currently not profitable and is dependent on angel funding.
And they have to balls to tell me that they disappointed. Well, I guess they ought to be, if they were hoping to fill a senior software engineer position for what they were offering. Yeah, I can see their perspective.
Marc
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Quote: currently not profitable and is dependent on angel funding
Don't worry, they will soon be joining the angels in that special corner of heaven reserved for failed companies that were run by idiots! 
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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