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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Just don't use the home edition
FTFY
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#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Just don't use the home edition.
Yeah, I wonder what "defer updates" means. Does it still suck up my bandwidth downloading? Can I defer indefinitely or do I get constant reminders and a time limit?
Blech. As a developer, I want a stable development environment, I do not Windows updating itself!
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: As a developer, I want a stable development environment, I do not Windows updating itself!
Which is why they expect you to be using Windows 10 Pro. 
Kevin
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#SupportHeForShe If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Only 2 things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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Kevin McFarlane wrote: Which is why they expect you to be using Windows 10 Pro.
Fine with me, as long as I can shut the thing off.
Marc
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OK, I'll bite.
Why don't you want updates to the downloaded? I'm assuming it's not the download, it's the "download and restart at a time and place other than my choosing".
Would you actually install Win10 Home version instead of Pro?
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: I'm assuming it's not the download, it's the "download and restart at a time and place other than my choosing".
It's more the horror stories that I've read occasionally here in the lounge about some updating essentially bricking the computer. I probably got burned by it years ago but don't remember. A more recent memory is when I was updating some RoR features tests  when all of a sudden, every single test started failing. Worked fine for on another dev's box, not on mine. Then it stopped working on her box too!
It took literally a week to realize that Firefox had updated and the old Selenium drivers were incompatible. After installing the Selenium updates, it took another week to fix the tests that were now broken with the new Selenium.
Two weeks, literally down the tubes. OK, sure, I got paid by the hour, but there are some lost hours that money can't compensate for.
So, I detest auto updates, even for security patches.
Chris Maunder wrote: Would you actually install Win10 Home version instead of Pro?
It's more a question of whether I'll even install W10 - I'm still happily on W7. I suppose eventually I will have to, and yeah, that'll mean Pro I suppose, but at this point, I don't know even know what the difference between the version are, I'll look that up one day, but not until I need to.
I figure, I'll download W10 from MSDN when it goes live and put it in some dusty corner where, if I leave the SSD baking in the sun for too long, it'll rot away to nothingness anyways.
Hey, by then, it'll be time for W11!
Marc
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It's actually been a long, long time since a Windows update has screwed me.
It's been a far, far shorter time that an Apple update has screwed me though 
If you get Pro then, really, it's a moot point. There will be apps that will allow you to tweak the UI and remove the tiles. We'll be able to make it usable, eventually.
I swore blind I would never touch Win8, but after Apple dropped support for Win7 for bootcamp I'm now on Win8.1. I added Stardock and it's actually usable. Sure, the way you have to go through 10 different sidebars, charms, Metro wizards and then, eventually, the same old Windows dialogs just to set some things that used to be available from a single right click is retarded, but they'll fix that, right? Right??
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: but they'll fix that, right? Right??
If Microsoft doesn't, somebody else probably will. After all, companies like Stardock exist because they make better UI's (though the only component I use from their suite is Fences, which is great!)
I do wish there was a clean separation between the OS and the "Windows" UI, so one could easily install whatever front-end one wanted. That would probably mean though that we would all be programming in GTK or Qt.
Marc
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It's the first thing I do on a new install:
"Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"
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I'm wondering if The Verge got their article correct because that's not quite how I read the MS bullet.
Quote: Windows 10 Home users will have updates from Windows Update automatically available. Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise users will have the ability to defer updates.
Automatically available, and automatically installed aren't quite the same thing. This has me wondering if it's just a muddled statement of tweaking to the existing ability of enterprises to manage patch rollout, or the slow lane update version.
Without committing a crime against the English language, the worst interpretation of that I can get is that the home version is having the "Hide that patch forever" feature removed. If that's the case I've got mixed feelings. For actual patches this is probably a good thing since arbitrary indefinite deferral of specific patches adds to the combinatorial explosion that makes testing patches to make sure they don't break anything much worse. Genuinely broken patches get yanked within a day or so; so as long as you don't patch immediately you're generally safe. OTOH some of the stuff that MS currently pushes through windows update (silverblight, bing desktop, etc) is reasonable for users to say, "nope I don't want that ever". On the gripping hand, that stuff really should be pushed via the app store anyway. If they are doing that for W10, my main objection goes away.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: This has me wondering if it's just a muddled statement
Probably that. The media has a tendency to take already obscure information and obfuscate it even further.
Dan Neely wrote: On the gripping hand
Heh, haven't encountered that reference in a while.
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Dan Neely wrote: On the gripping hand
Heh, haven't encountered that reference in a while.
You need to give me more setups to make trinary replies then. I don't always do it; but do a few times a year[^].
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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As annoying as the updates are, the missing MCE is a far bigger deal to me. I've been an avid Windows Media Center fan for many years. It runs every TV in my house (5 of them) right now. Even Netflix is handled through it. It's stable, works perfectly, and has a beautiful interface.
Seems that the best products MS ever makes are the ones they don't try and market. And the ones that get killed because no one uses them.
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I've tried WMC, but I like Kodi[^] (formerly XBMC) a lot better.
Runs on Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux, is free/open source, and has a TON of extensions.
The Windows installer is 32-bit only, though. There is also a Raspberry Pi image.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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I'll second the Kodi (I liked the name XBMC better though). With Kodi, you don't have to screw around with codecs at all, it's all built in. With Windows Media Center, you were always messing around with codecs.
WMC did have an elegant interface though...
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Kodi just isn't quite polished enough yet. It still has that 'work in progress' kinda feel.
I do use WMC though, every day as my PVR, and use it through the XBOX mostly via the extender. I suppose I could just get a proper PVR box though if I needed.
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Kodi is always going to be 'work in progress'
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Well yeah but you know what I mean... 
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Somebody should make a Windows Media Center skin for Kodi...that might be cool...
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gardnerp wrote: It runs every TV in my house (5 of them) right now.
You have too many TV's. 
Marc
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MCE's had at least one foot in the grave since W8. Arguably, since the cluster-elephant with the free MCE keys handed out before W8 launched and the 8.1 update*, it's been laying down in the bottom of the hole. (The continued lack of BR support being someone thumping away with a hammer.)
- In response to the "ZOMG Media Center is a paid component now" outcry (it was forked out of the main OS because it cost MS several dollars in licensing fees when PCs were increasingly not having an optical drive at all) MS agreed to give anyone who asked a key that would let them have MCE for free. Which worked great until 8.1 came out and it turned out that those keys flunked activation and that there was no way to back out of MCE to a standard OS install.
 Supposedly if you kept calling the human activation help line you could eventually get someone who was aware of the problem (it wasn't on the script, meaning that 99% of the phone monkeys were clueless) and who could fix it. But well over a year later the automatic upgrade process was still fubar. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I'm sure someone will figure out a way to stop and disable the automatic updates for the people who care about it. Could be as simple as:
net stop wuauserv
sc config wuauserv start=disabled
Or won't this work on the Home edition? 
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A recycling center in Silicon Valley is amazed that someone would toss out a rare first-generation Apple computer. It is currently seeking the woman who did it. I guess Apples really are overpriced
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