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Screw you Jobs, Dennis Ritchie[^] did it better!
The worst thing here is that I remember all the noise when Jobs died [mostly cheering here] but it all drowned out the reaction to Ritchie's death, a man who, in my bloody good opinion, did so much more for the world then the Polo Necked One.
veni bibi saltavi
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To be fair, it probably wasn't cheering because y'know, death for someone who didn't cause humanity harm shouldn't have been lauded.
His success was mostly for tomy-ising tech and then selling it. In that regard, he was one of the best salesmen ever seen and that means so much more public facing than most scientists til their deaths.
Jony Ive has continued the trend in his own way except he's not able to hide the stupid decisions so easily (see comments re: why you wouldn't want a bigger battery in an iPhone).
At least when people remember Dennis, they'll remember him in a more relevant and truthful way (Jobs was NOT coming up with innovations).
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How easy it is easy to throw mud on cultural icons, particularly when they are dead.
And, how tasteless.
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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Indeed, but he's right. Both of you are.
Let me add a few logs to the fire.
Bill Gates so far given away $28 billion for charitable purposes.
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I don't have a problem with being considered tasteless. Accuracy and compassion is worth so much more.
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No, I have been consistent in my distaste for Jobs and the approach he took for a long time. Apple is not consumer friendly, never were. Jobs genius, and it was, was in telling people that by getting less and being tied in more they were actually getting a better service. For years I have found it incredible how people buy into the Apple brand knowing they are going to be shafted; all be it with an aesthetically designed shaft.
In many ways Microsoft have many of the same faults, but at least with them I can choose what to use once I have taken their OS.
For full disclosure - I drooled over the Apple ][e, now use Winten on most of the computers and Android on the phones and tablets.
veni bibi saltavi
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But for the typical non-techie consumer they are evidently happy with the Apple ecosystem (the higher prices and lock-in) or they wouldn't have gone for it. And even quite a few MS-centric techies seem keen on Apple hardware these days. Just look at all those conference presentations using Mac laptops.
Nagy Vilmos wrote: In many ways Microsoft have many of the same faults, but at least with them I can choose what to use once I have taken their OS.
MS are more open now and were never really locked in as such. They just tended to make it easy to work with just their applications but wouldn't force you to, say, only write Windows applications in C++. 
Kevin
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Sorry, but I'm with Bill W. on this. Steve Jobs built one of the most successful businesses of all time. And Dennis Ritchie didn't. So making comparisons like this are really a bit off.
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IMHO, on the positive side, both of them created a number of jobs around the world; they made the way for the livelihood of more than a billion of us:
- Ritchie on the intellectual side, and
- Steve on the business and infotainment side.
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For what it's worth, if you had asked me who I would liked to have met personally, then my immediate answer would have been Kerningham, Ritchie or Stroustrup. If it must be Apple, then perhaps Steve Wozniak, just to have a nice talk about what soldering together your own hardware was like.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Didn't know he passed. IMHO he did a lot more for the industry then Jobs.
New version: WinHeist Version When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page. Unknown
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I see no reason to cheer Jobs' death.
But really I see it as two different types of achievement. It would be more realistic to compare Jobs to another entrepreneur, e.g., Gates.
I'm not a fan boy btw. I do own an iPad but that's it.
Kevin
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Kevin McFarlane wrote: I'm not a fan boy btw. I do own an iPad but that's it.
Me too. I find it very useful for certain jobs that the PC could do, but the iPad is just a better fit, and so much easier to carry around.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: I find it very useful for certain jobs that the PC could do, but the iPad is just a better fit, and so much easier to carry around.
I use my Surface for that and it does heavy duty engineering computing, too.
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Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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It's quite simple... Steve Jobs had a skill set which you do not have an appreciation for. He did in fact have foresight and was able to push people to build things that they didn't see themselves. I dare you to try and build a successful business like that, and then get back to us on how useless he was to IT.
Jeremy Falcon
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Well, it's obvious isn't it?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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chriselst wrote: Well, it's obvious isn't it?
"Invisible Pacman eats Power Pill, then..." Nope, can't get the rest...
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chriselst wrote: Well, it's obvious isn't it?
Yes, but How do I fit "Mouse" in 6 characters?
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By thinking bigger.
Or smaller.
Or just the same.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Bigger? You mean Rat? I think we are going the wrong way here. But maybe the collective word then. Rodent?
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Not just yet.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Hamster or Mouse doesn't fit !
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HobbyProggy wrote: Hamster or Mouse doesn't fit !
That all rather depends on where you are trying to put them.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Yes.
But not the right answer.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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