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If Buick was on your blacklist, WTE did you buy a Chevy?  Under the skin the same GM platforms power both of them.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Bought the car from a relative who took payments without interest. 
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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I'd go for the Ford. The build quality appears pretty good and you get a lot of car for the money.
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Thank you, my parents always got Fords up until the mid 80's. The pickup I am driving is a Ford and so far the only problem is the oil life counter does not work (correctly).
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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Whatever you decide, hope you enjoy it. 
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Recently went through the same process. My 2001 Honda Accord w/ 150K+ was usable, but the short term repair needs would have cost twice the car's value. Time to bit the bullet.
Tested your list (except the Chevy) plus the Sonata and Optima. Ended up getting another Accord (EX-L V6, I love my V6!). Got a great deal by buying a 2015 model off the lot. Hope to get this one to 200K!
BTW: I hope no one takes offense, but car salesmen suck. Glad I don't have to go through that again for another 15+ years. My condolences on your ruined Saturday.
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Thanks. My salesman last Saturday was okay. Helpful, not too pushy and answered my questions.
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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I guess it depends on what you want in a car. If you want to buy home-grown, naturally the Chevy or the Ford are to be chosen between.
Personally, I value comfort and reliability equal and above all other factors. If this is similarly important to you, the choice is perfectly clear - the Toyota every day of the week and twice on the 29th of Feb.
They've the best fuel economy, are perfectly comfortable and have consistently shown themselves to be sturdy, reliable unbreakable cars. It's certainly no coincidence that they're made by the maker of Corolla, Hilux and Landcrusisr models.
We're driving a 97 Camry that replaced an 87 model a few years back after an accident retired it.
The current one just ticked over 380,000 kms last week and hasn't had more than a new filter and change of oil in the five years we've had it. It's life in the previous 13 years was no different after the warranty period expired - much(most) of it's life spent on long distance trips by a careful driver.
Here's a couple of the links I perused to see if others experiences matched mine and those of friends/relatives.
I do note the markedly different reliability of the Hybrid Camrys though!
Honda-Civic reliability vs Camry[^]
Compare 2014 Camry and 2014 Civic[^]
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I have had a couple Camry's. The last one was in two accidents before I had to retire it. Did not have the money at the time to get a new one, so have been buying used vehicles for the last few years.
Not a lot of luck there. So when the Cobalt was offered I thought hey I know this car has been well cared for and it was great for a few years, then all of a sudden started to fall apart. 
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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While trying to get into my Virgin webmail account, it failed and displayed the following message:
Sorry we're experiencing technical difficulties
Sorry for any inconvenience, but our website is temporarily out of action.
Our engineers are now working to rectify the problem as quickly as possible. Please check back with us in a while
Want to buy Virgin Media products?
This strikes me as good a marketing idea as Papa John's pizza - "If you don't like your pizza, we'll send you another one"
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I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka.
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If our pizza makes you throw up, we have the just the bucket to accommodate your needs.
Life is too shor
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Yet another reason that we need images in The Lounge: Clickety[^]
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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MAITRE D: Ah, good afternoon, sir, and how are we today?
MR. CREOSOTE: Better.
MAITRE D: Better?
MR. CREOSOTE: Better get a bucket. I'm going to throw up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aczPDGC3f8U[^] 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I'm curious if anyone's tried one of these?[^] I'm lusting after an XPS13 as my auto-Christmas gift; and Dell's willing to throw in the tablet for only $99 more. Assuming it doesn't have any major deal breakers (and can upgrade to w10 without issue); I'm half tempted to get it as a screw around device.
On the other elephant, that Dell's doing a promotion like this suggests that either there's something fundamentally wrong with it; or just that no one wants to buy a W8 tablet instead of Android/iOS one if they have to pay full price and that they just made too many of them as a result. One of these is a potential show stopper; the other just means a cheap toy for me.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I've got one of the Venue 8 Pro models as does the wife. I think ours are the 5000 series and normally have it on me for taking notes in meetings and so on at work, but I forgot it today.
Is it worth $100? That is really your call. I think they were around that price a year back. Nothing fundamentally wrong with them but they were not worth the price they came out at originally. I think Dell made them during the time that they were desperate to get anything to sell.
To be honest they are pretty nice for a small tablet that you use as a small tablet. But! Make sure to read everything about the model you are getting. I think the 5000 is better than the 3000, even though the 3000 is the more recently released series. If I remember right at the time I picked it up, the 5000 had more ram (2gb vs 1gb) but a smaller storage capacity. That might have changed.
Long story short... we bought one for her ordered the active digitizer stylus and the stylus did not work. We were on the phone with Dell tech support trying to figure out what was wrong. Turns out at the time the older model supported them but the new one (the one we got) did not. Had* to return it, hunt down the one which did.
I ended up getting one for myself, got a Logitech BT keyboard for it, and for the most part it replaced my pen/paper and laptop for meetings since it is more discrete and syncs up with OneNote.
*Wife hates the fat stylus pens and wants a precise stylus, she was originally a graphic designer.
Edited for clarity.
modified 19-Nov-15 13:13pm.
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RJOberg wrote: But! Make sure to read everything about the model you are getting. I think the 5000 is good and the 3000, while newer, is really worth it.
Your phrasing here seems a bit off, did you make a thinko while writing it?
The one I'd be getting is the 3000 (assuming they don't fiddle the deal between now and when I give them my money anyway). I doubt I'd use a stylus so that's not really a factor for me in either direction.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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I think I was trying to think through two sentences at once and they apparently had a collision when they reached my fingers.
The 5000 is better to get if you want the active stylus. Unless of course they updated the 3000. The link provided in your post is to the 5000 series which is why I made mention of it.
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I bought 3 of these as Christmas presents last year (for the same price). Only one is still working. Our common failure was that they stop charging. I think the micro-USB connectors failed on both. I took a microscope to one of the failed units and could see that the connection pads had peeled off. I suppose there is a chance that this was caused by inserting a bad cable, but we use the same cable to charge phones and on other devices without issue.
Other than that, they are nice tablets. I prefer Window 8 on tablets (Windows 10 seems less thought out and like a step backward to me on tablets like this).
I wouldn't discourage you from buying one. While they worked, they were used a lot. I'd just say that you need to take very good care of the USB connector.
Keith Rule
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Hmmm. Not sure I like the idea of fragile USB ports.
How heavily were you using yours when they died? If I bought one, I'd probably only use it lightly and leave it sitting plugged in (or not) for a few days at a time. Unless I find myself compelled to write a metro app that needs tested on a tablet, it'd probably just be left near my reading chair for when I want to look something up on a half decent sized screen without fiddling around with my laptop.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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My two kids took them to school daily (rather than a laptop) and I used one nightly to read the news and read magazines using the Nook app. Mine died and my daughters died. My sons still works, but he's moved on to high-school and takes an old laptop to school for his web design class.
I really like the feel and form-factor of the Dell 8 Pro. So, did my kids. It worked great - until it stopped working. I wish mine was still worked.
Keith Rule
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If HP could sell their Stream 7 last year for $100, I don't see why Dell couldn't sell their version of the same product for the same price a year later.
FWIW, my Stream 7 was upgraded to Win10 without much of a problem. You gotta set your expectations though. A $100 Windows tablet won't perform like a $1500 Surface Pro 4.
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dandy72 wrote: A $100 Windows tablet won't perform like a $1500 Surface Pro 4.
Of course not. At the same time a baytrail atom has similar performance to a Core 2 computer from 8 or 9 years ago. While hardly a speed demon, as long as you don't overload the available ram, it's still fast enough for casual use.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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UK drone firm that raised $3.4m on Kickstarter collapses[^]
Delivered just 600 of the promised 15,000 and gone into liquidation.
Why do I get the feeling some of the Kickstarter projects are just a modern day Dot Com Bubble?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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There's a yotutube channel called, something like, KickStarterCrap - that guarantees a chuckle or two if you are bored.
I am not sure why these projects fail, after all they do all the following before hitting the funding round:
Prototype their idea
Source their manufacturer and material
Determine their costs per deliverable product
Calculate the time it will take to go from order to delivery per item
Oh silly me, of course they don't...
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
modified 19-Nov-15 9:20am.
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lol I subscribe to that guy, the channel is called iDubbbzTV. KickStarterCrap is just one type of video he does, there is other stuff on there too.
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