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pt1401 wrote: Actually, it's not entirely BS (but definitely overhyped)...This situation would only arise for industrial customers though
However the video is obviously directed at consumers. For which it is pointless. Presuming that the equipment actually does anything at all, which is not guaranteed, that itself would consume some amount of power. Thus increasing, probably a small amount, costs.
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Plus, even if a household manages to drop its power factor, the solution would be a capacitor bank to keep the power factor up even during heavy machinery use.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Well, just stop plugging your CPU directly into the lines.
Me, I put a power supply and motherboard in the middle. Things seem to work much better that way, if not as entertainingly.
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Reminds me of all of the "power conditioners" that they market to video/audiophiles for their AV systems. Those are for better quality though, and not reduced energy bills.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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There are 2 main "mini-problems" that are caused by all of the "microprocessors" in use nowadays:
[1] Many devices, including most electronics (not just "microprocessors") use switching power supplies to provide low voltage power. Switching power supplies can generate high frequency noise on the incoming power lines, but the noise is not typically narrow spectrum and the effects are generally subtle. Some more modern power supply devices have ways of reducing this noise. Solution for the end user: if it is a problem, use a power conditioner or surge suppressor instead of plain power strip or plug direct to wall.
[2] Some power supplies can also cause a shift in power factor. About the only problem for the end user is you can see incorrect billing if your house power meter is defective. Other than that, it is more of a power transmission problem that the typical end user can ignore. Solution: let the power utility worry about it. Nothing in your house is going to create a problem big enough to compensate for. Ask Google about the difference between Volt Amps ("VA") and Watts.
I'm retired. There's a nap for that...
- Harvey
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Yes, modern switching power supplies cause harmonic currents on the power lines. Per US regulations, all such devices are required to have filters installed on the incoming power supply cords to prevent them from interfering with the power system. Sadly, the problem persists. A properly designed electric meter measures and reports only kWh values, and much of the harmonic energy consumed by and created by electronic devices is not recorded. But since some portion of that energy is probably real, it will get recorded. You can filter it yourself, and you really should - it's not the power company's fault - and save yourself some money. More importantly, you could be saving yourself from the inconvenience of a power outage caused by circulating harmonic currents overheating the transformer at your local substation. When that happens, the transformer burns, and it takes a year or two to get a new one. That's a long time to play Farmville by candle light...
Will Rogers never met me.
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Roger Wright wrote: But since some portion of that energy is probably real, it will get recorded
Power meters are motors that run off the strength of the magnetic field produced by the power running through your house. So those harmonics would have to have to cause an increase in the magnetic field that the motor sees and therefore make it spin faster. Spinning faster and slower is the key here -- its spin rate isn't locked to the power frequency, only the magnetic field strength. As a homeowner, if the harmonics are strong enough to affect the magnetic field strength, I think you have bigger problems than a higher electric bill.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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You don't have to study the Feynman Lectures on Physics to come to a conclusion.
"It's a passive electromagnetic device..."
In other words, a *coil* - like the one in the utility step-down transformer, except useless (except perhaps as a line noise filter).
Those who really know about electricity usually say "get rid of incandescent bulbs, and turn off things you're not using". If you're already doing that, save up and buy stock in the utility.
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C-P-User-3 wrote:
I will thank anyone who really knows about electricity for an opinion on this.
Pointless even presuming it actually does anything. Following is about something that literally didn't do anything.
The story of the fake bomb detectors - BBC News[^]
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My friend and I built a Gonkulator way back when. It detected airplanes in the sky.
It worked. We demonstrated it to the kids in the neighborhood.
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There is a way to cheat your average electric meter. I remember seeing an article on it a few years back. Turns out it's very illegal I and I would be wary of anything that tampers with how your meter is reading how much power you use.
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Oh my. We used to have a tool to see whose birthday is coming up, but that somehow faded away. Yeah, it's my birthday. I'm 61, if anyone cares. My senile mother forgot it; why shouldn't all of you? Happily, all of my friends at TheFireArms forum remembered. There's a good reason why I like shooters and reloaders a lot more than programmers. I just can't figure out how to logically define the difference. It's big, I'm sure, but I haven't yet figured it out. Anyway way, Happy birthday to me, and I hope that the rest of you have a fairly decent day.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Roger, dude, have a great day (and 61 isnt old) - I hope you and your lady friend (iirc, thats how you refer to her) have a great night of beer & meat lined up
![Beer | [beer]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif) x lots
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Happy Birthday and yes 61 aint that old 
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Wish you a very very Happy Birthday Sir 
So nice to have you on CP
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Happy Birthday...![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Happy birthday Roger! enjoy it!
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Happy Birthday, Roger !
Speaking from eleven years beyond you, I can tell you the weather is fine, and you have excellent experiences ahead of you; but, yes, the movie may slow down a little, at times.
Bill
«Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.» Benjamin Franklin
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Hehehe... The movie shows no sign of slowing yet. But I forgot how little there is on daytime TV!
Will Rogers never met me.
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Brittle1618 wrote: Strange
Not really. Things change and evolve. Back then we had <10k members, too! 
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Have a great day. And, as others have mentioned, 61 is far from old these days: I'm still posting rubbish at 70.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: I'm still posting rubbish at 70.
Yes, but it's very high quality rubbish!
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