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read my message please
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Are you asking detail explanation between Tip vs Article? I personally think the definition Sean put is more than enough.
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Another time... please read my message carefully.
I am asking about the gray zone.
Edit: Nevermind I got what I wanted, answer is given.
M.D.V.
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modified 10-Feb-16 11:58am.
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Glad you got what you want.
No argument though. I read many times what you wrote. And the answer what I gave and what Sean gave landed on the same content except different links.
Here is the content both places.
What I gave you as a link :
What is a tip?
A Tips and Tricks post is a single problem, with a single solution, and a super-short write-up. Ideally you could consume it in under 30 seconds.
And what Sean gave you :
So we are going to clarify what a tip is: A Tips and Tricks post is a single problem, with a single solution, and a super-short write-up. Ideally you could consume it in under 30 seconds.
I don't think you need article clarification.
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Another time... the question was not about the definition of a tip or the definition of an article, I have read those definitions surely more than you and I use those links always in my messages to articles in moderation.
The full point was about the comparison of both and specially the undefined grey zone between them and how to consider it.
Thanks for trying to help though.
M.D.V.
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Nelek: I have read those definitions
Actually my answer was not to give a definition. I assume you get the idea of differences or grey zone issues between Tip and Article when you read it and understand their definitions. There is big difference between reading and understanding. To me, this resolves the grey zone.
Now let me step back and ask you a question.
What things you understand as the grey zone issue ? Members will get benefit from this.
modified 16-Mar-16 14:54pm.
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Master.Man1980 wrote: There is big difference between reading and understanding.
It is not the same not understand something, that understand it wrong. With the second you think everything is ok, until someone shows you it is not. I thought I had understood it, but the comment of the other day told me "hey, maybe is not like that". So that's exactly why I am asking, I am asking for clarification.
Not all users are english native (I am not at least). What for you is so clear, for other might be not. And if you are active in the moderation, you will see I am not the only one with similar concept (even many english speakers think/thought like me).
And since I have received a concrete answer with something it is 100% concrete that I find crystal clear... this thread is done for me.
Thanks for trying to help.
M.D.V.
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Nelek: Thanks for trying to help.
You're welcome.
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OK... definition is now clear. Thanks for the answer and the explanation Sean.
If I understand it correctly, the focus is to let tips short and concise and join the grey zone to the articles. I will accordingly reduce my "Have you consider..." posts
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From my point of view it is simply overkill of definitions over definitions again. Let the author decide whether it is a tip or an article. What I agree is, that an article needs a certain level... what certain level means I'm not able to define.
But a definition, that a tip needs to be readed in 30 seconds.... no sorry, it's stupid. Next definition will be Lounge discussions needs to be readable in 10 Sec...
Only my mind, does not count anyway.
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Way back in the dawn of time everything was an article. There were no tips. The cutoff for acceptance was
1. did the author have the rights to publish it
2. was it on topic
3. was it of sufficient quality
We then added Technical Blogs and Tips/Tricks
These are all still "article types", meaning they must all adhere to the three criteria above.
Technical blogs are technical articles, not ramblings about what you did on a Saturday. They are simply an article that's been posted in a blog and will be aggregated by our crawler and posted as an article.
Tips are "tips". Short, punchy, consumable-in-30-seconds type things with the goal of providing a quick answer to a specific problem.
What I've seen happening is that the tips category has been used for "things not worthy of being an article". If it's not worthy of posting it should be removed. If it's a tip it should be a tip. If it's not a tip then it's an article. "Article" is actually the catch-all here, not tips, and this then leads to the other conversations about whether we need a HowTo category, a Walkthrough category, a Tutorial category, an Interview category etc etc.
The question then comes down to:
1. What value will this add
2. Will this make it more painful for authors.
At this point I'm not willing to introduce more article categories until I feel the "Tips" category is working. The blame for the confusion must lie with us: we're the ones who have been explaining the difference. We'll be the ones to clean it up (mostly). Hopefully from now on everyone else has a clearer picture of what we're trying to do.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: What I've seen happening is that the tips category has been used for "things not worthy of being an article".
And for that reason I wanted to clarify it. I am not the only one who thinks/thought like that.
Chris Maunder wrote:
If it's not worthy of posting it should be removed. If it's a tip it should be a tip. If it's not a tip then it's an article. "Article" is actually the catch-all here, not tips,
That is exactly the answer to my question. Thanks.
Chris Maunder wrote: Hopefully from now on everyone else has a clearer picture of what we're trying to do.
I don't know everyone else, but I do. Thank you
M.D.V.
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modified 11-Feb-16 18:51pm.
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Unable to copy image while Posting a Question
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Images are not allowed. Try to ask your question without an image. This is a programming site where images are usually not required for questions.
If you really want to provide an image, store it somewhere in the web and provide a link. But have in mind that many users here won't follow such a link reducing the chance of getting an answer.
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We don't allow images because we would have to moderate every single question, answer, and forum post to ensure that some idiot doesn't start posting inappropriate images. And that just isn't practical - it's enough work for volunteers to just keep spam off the site! We get a number of trolls, morons, and spammers here - and it wouldn't take much for corporate blacklists to flag the site as "not work related" and ban it from their networks. Which means the very people we are trying to help can't access us!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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When I go to Articles | Search I just get a "Page Title Goes Here" page.
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"This is not the search you are looking for".
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Sometimes the little orange dots indicate that a forum has new posts, but the first page of the forum does not contain said posts.
Perhaps we could have a button that brings us to the page of the new posts?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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The easiest way to find the new posts at the moment is to use the forum's search box, and search for * - that will list all of the posts in the forum in descending date order.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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It just happened again that an article got approved when it shouldn't have (ref.: Re: Plagiarised would be article - CodeProject[^]).
Suggestion: Once an article in moderation got 1 report of being spam or plagiarized don't publish it after it received 10 approvals but place it in a queue to be decided upon by a protector.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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In this specific case the article (at least according the revision history) never got published...It went from 'pending' to 'closed'...
In any case I would say to notify all those approved an article
1. If already has a spam/plagiarized flag on the article - to let him review it more
2. If approved and later someone flag it as spam/plagiarized
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: In this specific case the article (at least according the revision history) never got published...It went from 'pending' to 'closed'...
At least one submission got published - I reported it.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
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