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Last week, MS wanted to update my laptop. It was late, so I hibernated it instead, figuring it would save the state and I could complete it the next evening. The next evening, when I went to do that, I found that MS had turned my laptop on so they could do their update, and then left it on once they were done. Good thing I make a habit of leaving it plugged in when its not in use. Clearly MS has decided that when they want to do an update, the only thing that will stop them is if the laptop battery dies in the middle of it.
A week later, last night, they updated again, this time whacking the mouse settings into unusability and forcing me to uninstall the mouse driver before they would allow the mouse settings dialog to run.
After two botched updates in two weeks, I've given up on Windows 10 and have reverted my laptop back to 8.1. Anyone else giving up on Win10?
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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patbob wrote: Anyone else giving up on Win10?
I haven't even moved to Win 8. 
/ravi
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I'm on the glacial ring (Windows 7), it's the best ring I think when you want to stay as far as possible away from the fast ring.
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Nope. Moved from win8 to win 10 and haven't had any problems. Probably helps having HP kit which is pretty stock standard.b
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I thought Lenovo was pretty standard, or at least well supported, too. Apparently, I was wrong.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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Nope, but I'm always hesitant to upgrade any laptop to any OS. On the other hand, my oldest upgraded her Windows 7 laptop to Windows 10 without asking me and it runs just fine (okay, it still has a spinning drive which is horribly slow. I thought about swapping it out for an SSD, but this is a Dell which requires you take apart the entire laptop to get to the HDD.)
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W7 still working as fine as usual.
NEVER10 did a good job too.
Patrice
“Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.” Albert Einstein
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patbob wrote: Clearly MS has decided that when they want to do an update, the only thing that will stop them is if the laptop battery dies in the middle of it.
Actually, I believe they check for a power supply, because wupdate has a couple of times told me to plug a lappie in for updates to continue.
[edit] Unless, of course, that's yet another of the genuinely useful features they decided to break or exclude from winio [/edit]
I only have winio on one device, which came with it installed. I blocked the update on all others, so I'm mostly weven + 1 w8 device.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Actually, I believe they check for a power supply,
And how exactly do they do that when the system is off? Obviously, they have to turn it on. Now that they've done that, what do you think they're going to do? Certainly not re-hibernate it for you. I even doubt they'll shut the system down for you.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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I have avoided the update and will hold onto Win7 as long as it works. After that, I'm sure that my next 'Windows' will be called Ubuntu or Fedora.
If, let's say the manufacturer of my car, came along and hijacked my car every week, I would certainly get a little angry.
No, we are not going to your appointment. We will go to the Mickeysoft garage and do some updates on your car. Just a few hours and then you (hopefully) can go where you want. Please make sure we have enough gas for the little trip.
Many years ago I saw a bumper sticker which read 'Honking is useless. Driver is remote controlled from Moscow.' Forget Moscow and don't let Mickeysoft near any car software.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: No, we are not going to your appointment. We will go to the Mickeysoft garage and do some updates on your car. Just a few hours and then you (hopefully) can go where you want. Please make sure we have enough gas for the little trip.
Your comment collided in my head with all this hubbub about self-driving cars. Wonder how long it'll take before they make them do that 
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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At least you can then take 'blue screen of death' literally.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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With a devilish grin he began wandering around town exclaiming "Tan! Tan! Tan!" and, since, has been known as "SayTan".
modified 23-Sep-16 16:48pm.
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So, I need to upgrade some old code to VS2008. Yes, I know VS2008 old as well, but I'm OS constrained. It's an embedded system (CE 5.0), so you do what you have to do.
Silly me, I took a project and opened it in VS2008. It said, "We need to convert that project. Would you like to proceed?" Thinking this would save me some time, I hit the yes button where upon my project was mangled into some unrecognizable form it was simply stunning.
Does not compile. Won't link (I fixed the compiler errors). Bat crap crazy build errors that are all due to the wizard not even bothering to look at the old project settings. I mean, wth  Microsoft, if you are going to release a black wizard on us.... As near as I can tell, the ONLY thing the wizard did was to add files to a project list.
This is worse than half-baked. If I had spare time, I'd go to 2013 or 2015 and see how their wizards work.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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We can rant about the fact that Microsoft never took the opportunity back in the day of the PDA to create a decent OS, and if they did, maybe we would have something better than today's blotware Windows. Maybe if they had taken the opportunity, you would not have had this problem. Back in that timeframe they should have done a serious shakeup of Windows, just like what happened back in the late 90's when Windows NT came out.
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I actually have no issue with the OS beginning with Windows 2000. It's been quite stable sans the occasional rogue driver.
But this conversion process was written by a clerk.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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It has worked pretty well, but I believe that could have used a relook with the Framework coming out. Still a lot of things that probably should have been moved to managed base could have been done, and a lot of the Windows code could probably be managed and use the Framework.
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All possibly true, except that Windows NT came out in 1993 (early 90's), not late 90's.
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As I recall, they tried to do that. That's why there was such a long delay between XP and Vista.
In the end, they had to drop a load of new features (eg: WinFS[^]) because there wasn't enough time to finish them. They ended up rushing out Vista without giving hardware manufacturers time to update their drivers, which led to hardware compatibility problems, which led to lots of negative press and poor sales.
Development of Windows Vista[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I may be pointing out the obvious - if this is a new install of VS2008, did you remember to install the service pack, and any update published after that? Even though it's old, it still needs to be patched...who knows, maybe the issue you've encountered has been fixed after the initial release...
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VS2008 has all service packs, etc. Joe (see below) mentioned if it's coming from eVC++ forget it (his words). He is correct.
Silly me. About the only way I would recommend migrating code from eVC++ is to create a stub project in VS2008 and manually add files to the project. I'm in the process of doing this now (yeah me, Sat 0600), and I hope it works.
Then there is the issue of the OEM WEC7 build, but that's not on Microsoft. I hate "how hard can it be?" projects that turn into death marches.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I know this doesn't help but when I had to "move up" my code converted and compiled with virtually no issues. It was just Hello World plus some more code but.
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Where did the code come from?
If you're updating from eVC, forget it. Updating any solution from VC++ 6.0 never really worked, nor from VS 2008 to 201x. I've had few problems with updating 201x solutions, but for everything else I've always found it better to create a brand new solution.
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bingo, yes it's coming from eVC++
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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