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Wastedtalent wrote: I thought that Surface dial was pretty cool though, not that I'd personally see a use for it.
I think its main purpose would end up as hiding the scratches it made on the screen last week.
As for functionality, it's pretty unusable, because (the way it was used in the ad) your sleeve and elbow would be redrawing most of your work while you twiddled with it. You'd have to keep it right at the bottom of the screen, and then be really careful that your fingers don't brush the screen while you're twiddling.
Essentially, it's a pig in a poke that cost several million that could have been spent fixing the 850,000 bugs in windows and msoffice.
That'd be the press announcement to end all press announcements, wouldn't it?
We've fixed this bug.
We've also fixed this bug.
We've also fixed this bug.
We've also fixed this bug.
We've also fixed this bug.
We've also fixed this bug.
We've also fixed this bug.
We've also fixed this bug.
We've also fixed this bug.
We've also fixed this bug.
We've also fixed this bug.
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They'd be hailed as conquering heroes -- trustworthy conquering heroes.
I think few trust them, right now.
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Erm... never heard of "palm rejection"? It's been around for a while on a lot of touch screen devices.
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Fingertips dragging around the edges of an unnecessary-to-the-point-of-pointlessness colour-picker/screen-rotator hardly count as palms. Nor do elbows.
At least when apple makes fancy, overpriced tools they're useful.
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Oh, you're one of the people who hate Microsoft... my mistake.
1. Tools like the Surface Dial have been around for a long time. This just adds some additional features to it. Some of which may very well be extremely useful although, obviously not for you.
2. If you are clumsy enough that you can't use it without having your fingers touching the screen you probably aren't a great artist.
3. Elbows are rejected just the same as palms. Especially when you are using the pen.
4. $100 is not unreasonable for the thing... overpriced is your opinion.
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I_made_a_womble wrote: Oh, you're one of the people who hate Microsoft... my mistake.
A mistake has certainly been made.
I've been an ms booster for over 30 years, arguing their corner against Unix, apple, linux, and even netscape fanbois, only to find that they cannot be trusted to do anything useful, any more.
If you truly believe that that screen-scratching gadget is useful, go ahead and buy one, so that you can spend all your time changing the colours on your full-screen graphics -- after all, that's the only thing that the people who gave ms their billions do all day, isn't it?
But buy one quickly, because you probably won't even be able to find them in bargain bins, soon.
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It has a soft pad on the bottom why would it scratch the screen?
And by the way, I'm on Code Project... my art is code. I probably wouldn't need a surface dial, but I know a lot of folk who will love it.
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It has to be put down "off-screen", to pick up grit, muck, spilled coffee/paint/whatever.
You shouldn't touch your screen with anything other than soft, lint-free cleaning cloths.
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20 minutes after using first touch phone my finger started to hurt.
Why - because touch (EVEN with haptic feedback- or vibration for the norms) still has the finger push against a none flexible surface. Which with thousands of touches a day will damage the nerves inside the fingers and up through the hand and arm.
touch screens great for some situations, but what should be developed and released more is gooey keys with application variable dynamics,
like this, from 3 years ago!
[keyboard rises up from flat touch screens back in 2013]
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You don't want to hear what he calls you when you're not logged in.
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It's snowing here (well, here being lovely Philmont, NY[^] ) and it's actually sticking.
Nice to be inside, especially with a full tank of heating oil just delivered. 
Marc
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We had the first rain today...Snow not expected for an other two months...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Lucky you! i wouldn't mind some of that.
We are still waiting for some rain........I think the last time I saw rain was back in the UK in July. Rainy season has started in Qatar, and think the country had the first sniff of it somewhere, but I haven't seen any yet.
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Wow! It's a little early for that. I used to live near there (Lake George area). Moved back in 2006 to South Carolina. You don't have to shovel sunshine 
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littleGreenDude wrote: Lake George area
My in-laws live in Ticonderoga; we will in South Carolina - don't miss the snow!
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Winter is coming.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: Winter is coming.
Really? I thought global warming killed it.
Marc
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It's bloody cold, here. If this is global warming, you can keep it.
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You have oil based heating in your home?
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I suppose so... the other possibility is that he has such a big pan to fry bacon that he needs a ver big delivery of oil 
I'll go get my coat
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: the other possibility is that he has such a big pan to fry bacon that he needs a ver big delivery of oil
If I were frying bacon, I could be the one delivering oil! 
Marc
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Nish Nishant wrote: You have oil based heating in your home?
Yup. A lot cheaper than the electric heaters I had in the place I was renting before.
Marc
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Yeah, electric would cost more. I've always only had gas heating though. How does gas compare to oil?
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Well, we had electric heaters upstairs and in the downstairs bedroom and kitchen. Cost about $400 / mo in winter time.
In the living room was a propane heater, cost about $200 / mo in winter.
A full oil tank ($450) lasts about 2 months.
The propane heater was really nice in one respect -- it required no electricity. The pilot light powered this doohickey that generated a micro current for the thermostat, and enough to open/close the valve. So even when the power goes out, you have heat. Highly recommended, and I'm thinking having such a system installed in the living room downstairs, though in emergencies, the kitchen burners can work to heat the room too.
Marc
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Interesting info - thanks Marc
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