|
Quote: When one becomes sufficiently adept at the tools that are already available, one transcends any limitations of the IDE and becomes one with the project's mental model.
Flow.
Truth. In the world, there are those who accept the things as they are. That prefer to be dragged by a horse cart all life, because they are afraid to get off the ground.
Others... "who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things".
|
|
|
|
|
I hardly consider VS as a "horse cart".
|
|
|
|
|
Quote: I hardly consider VS as a "horse cart".
Well, at least "heavy" as a "horse cart" he is. 
Anyway, there is nothing perfect for all cases. But, there is always more suitable or appropriate.
A simple code, Sublime can be more suitable.
For complex debugging, VS can be more appropriate.
Better and worse depends on context.
And so on.
modified 21-Dec-16 19:37pm.
|
|
|
|
|
Yes; I remember when Visual Studio was "Programmer's Workbench".
Don't think I want to go back though.
|
|
|
|
|
|
The paradigms you are holding up are all heavy on the drag-and-drop and other mousing / touching ... perhaps "too heavy" except for beginners.
Just as some prefer XAML / HTML over the designers.
|
|
|
|
|
Gurigraphics wrote: If the files are all exported within a single folder, or hundreds of folders, or the entire file is a single file, this does not matter to the programmer.
Matters to me. Folders provide a way to categorize and thus group code that relates to each other while separating it from other code that doesn't.
Gurigraphics wrote: After exporting the file, what matters is mainly performance. And the performance can not be compromised by our desorganization, habits and addictions when write code.
If someone has a measurable performance problem because of their code organization when developing then my expectation would be that it is a design/architecture problem. It has nothing to do with the underlying persistence mechanism of the code.
Gurigraphics wrote: The idea here is to abolish the organization of files and folders
Rather certain this has been tried multiple times before. Idioms that are successful rapidly take over in the world and continue to be used long after that. Those that do not work do not.
You might want to research past experiments which had larger market attempts to sell them to see why they failed to take off.
|
|
|
|
|
Quote: Matters to me. Folders provide a way to categorize and thus group code that relates to each other while separating it from other code that doesn't.
Currently is that so. But, I think (by practical experience with Stencyl) that if the project is organized inside the editor, that's all that matters for the programmer.
In this other paradigm, continue to use files and folders is how you prefer to have hundreds of files for the objects, lighting, shaders, colors, layers, etc, of a graphic project, rather than a single PSD file.
It is not a matter of agreeing or not. It is a matter of wanting it or not.
I explained the idea better in this text: https://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=59097.0
|
|
|
|
|
Gurigraphics wrote: Currently is that so. But, I think (by practical experience with Stencyl) that if the project is organized inside the editor, that's all that matters for the programmer.
That's not true. What matters also includes things like how you keep your code in source control, how easy it is to code review and so on. If you have one big file then reviewing changes is a lot harder than smaller, isolated files that have a single class (or equivalent) inside them. It's certainly easier to use GIT if you have multiple files, rather than one all-encompassing one.
This space for rent
|
|
|
|
|
I'm not sure you've read everything I've written about. Because what you say seems so obvious.
Imagine GIT inside a Multiplayer-Realtime-Editor, and you have an idea of what I say about external file does not import.
|
|
|
|
|
"Folders and files" are a convenient "mental model"; you're confusing them with reality.
The VS solution explorer is a "virtual file system" (which includes "file access" to: TFS; SVN; Git; NuGet) and which scales a lot better than "one big ball of stuff".
It parallels "outlining" as found in Word and Excel; something that "users" are also comfortable and familiar with.
I sometimes have flashes of deep insight into some "new" thing; but they go away after the effects wear off.
|
|
|
|
|
|
That's what I said.
How many enthusiasts have you collected so far?
|
|
|
|
|
Without a prototype I collected only criticism: It's not worth it, the images are MS-DOS, VS is better, nobody needs it.
|
|
|
|
|
If "graphics" is the only thing that is holding you back, there are plenty of FREE tools to make things more "shiny":
Paint; Paint.NET; Gimp; POV-Ray; MS Blend; etc.
|
|
|
|
|
The graphics was just a rough draft.
These days I found ready a part of what I need. And much better than I could do.
jQquery sortable lists[^]
|
|
|
|
|
Gurigraphics wrote: What do you think about an code editor like this
Looks good on a C64.
Gurigraphics wrote: Premise: "typing the same code twice is work for robots. Each time you do that, humanity ceases to evolve - and you mainly".
That's why any good editor provides some kind of macro-functionality*.
Gurigraphics wrote: The idea here is to abolish the organization of files and folders. Files e folders, It is like machine language, does not interest to current programmers.
You're better of ASKING a programmer what interest them.
Gurigraphics wrote: You do not need of a dumbsense or keyboard shortcuts that you do not remember or even know exist, nor do you need to be consulted documentation at all times to do simple things.
I don't need those in VS. But for complex tasks, the keyboard shortcuts that I know make me a lot more productive than anyone in notepad.
Gurigraphics wrote: And the goal is to find a middle ground between written and visual programming.
If you were trying to improve the current state of affairs, I'd be enthousiastic, but you've already picked a solution without checking whether it will fit the problem.
Is written information suddenly non-visible information that you feel the need to specify "visual programming" as a separate entity?
*) Don't even get me started on Darwin and how you "devolve".
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
|
|
|
|
|
|
Gurigraphics wrote: It is not a question of better or worse. It's a matter of wanting.
If there is two hammers that can do the job, I'll pick the better one.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
|
|
|
|
|
Truth. For each type of work and need there is a more suitable tool.
|
|
|
|
|
Sounds like you are looking for a problem to your solution 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
|
|
|
|
|
Truth.
For each type of work and need there is a more suitable tool .
This forum is bug ¬¬
|
|
|
|
|
Gurigraphics wrote: This forum is bug
Then report it in the proper place. However, it is more likely that your message got picked up by the Spam filter, and had to be released by someone with the right authority.
|
|
|
|
|
Okay. I post in one place and it appears in another. Thanks.
modified 31-Dec-16 12:55pm.
|
|
|
|
|
Me too. That is why I often prefer Sublime than VS.
|
|
|
|
General 
News 
Suggestion 
Question 
Bug 
Answer 
Joke 
Praise 
Rant 
Admin 
Submit an article or tip
