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CDP1802 wrote: The Amiga is only so good because it's a true Atari
Ehr, no, even the competitor that Atari launched to rival the Amiga never caught on. You can call it propaganda, but we are talking about a full-color, windowed multitasking environment. In less than half a megabyte.
You're probably downloading more JavaScript than that if you visit this site 
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Ehr, yes. Look at this.[^] This man designed the chipsets of the early Atari consoles and 8 bit computers. And look what he later called his own company and what chipset he disigned then.
So I must welcome you to the Atari fanbois after all that time. The real irony is that the Atari ST, which actually was released before the Amiga and caught on a lot better in Europe, was designed and sold by the guys who designed the Commodore 64. Commodore had fired their boss, Jack Tramiel, who simply bought himself Atari and then sold their successor to the C64 under that name.
The Atari fanbois were defending their Commodore, the Commodore fanbois were fighting for their Atari. It can't get any more silly, but deeply religious fanbois (no matter of what, exactly) will never get it.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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I don't need to; I lived through that history. The 16 bit Amiga was more popular than the Atari ST.
Then machines that had trouble showing 16 colors took over.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: The 16 bit Amiga was more popular than the Atari ST.
As a game console, yes. Not if you had work to do.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Then machines that had trouble showing 16 colors took over.
That really felt like a huge step back into the stone age.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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CDP1802 wrote: As a game console, yes. Not if you had work to do.
Why as a game console? Due to the colorfull windows that it supported? What do you use now?
CDP1802 wrote: That really felt like a huge step back into the stone age.
Yes, mostly because some people would prefer WP5.1 over Kindwords[^].
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Why as a game console? Due to the colorfull windows that it supported? What do you use now?
No, due to the low resolution. The Atari went the opposite way and came with a monochrome monitor, higher resolution and absolutely flicker free. If you had hours of work to do, your eyes would have been grateful for the ST.
And yes, back in the day I sat in the same room with the Amiga guys and passed the processor documentation back and forth. We used to agree that The hardware of the Amiga (plus the ST's monochrome monitor for work) with the Atari's TOS/GEM (plus the Amiga's multitasking) wiuld have been heaven on earth.
In a way you can have that now if you buy a FPGA based computer that can emulate both and then install the current (!) free version of TOS/GEM.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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CDP1802 wrote: No, due to the low resolution.
That is the most nonsensical argument this week 
Look the GUI up from the leading word-processor of that time
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: of that time
What time are we talking about? 1985, before the first Amiga found its way into a store? Or 1993 after Commodore already was out of business?
I know, I'm mean to you.  The truth is that both companies were unable to come up with an adequate next generation. What they did was too little and too late, so both went the way of the dinosaurs.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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CDP1802 wrote: The truth is that both companies were unable to come up with an adequate next generation
You mean something as cheap as a PC clone; not something technical better, but simply cheaper thanks to mass-production.
So yes, the original statement stands
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It's not quite that easy. The new Motorola processors had some trouble keeping up with the faster 486 processors and the then upcoming Pentium. The VGA graphics cards were more primitive, but they supported ever higher resolutions, not that they were used very much. And then the new PCs got ever more memory and bigger hard disks.
So yes, at least until the Pentium PCs they were all about brute force, not sophistication.
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This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
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"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
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CDP1802 wrote: It's not quite that easy. The new Motorola processors had some trouble keeping up with the faster 486 processors
It is that easy. By the time the 486 came out the PC already owned the workplace.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Though the Commodore Amiga is still the superiour machine, in both hard- and software...
Have you seen this[^]?
Michael Martin
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- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Yes, too damn expensive for some nostalgia
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I can just about justify buying a Raspberry Pi kit for "research" (AKA playing around). I hate to think what my wife would do if I bought one of those.
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Ok, I'll bite.
Why did Windows 10 not allow the WannaCry virus to encrypt 10?
This is a tech board so it's ok to talk nuts and bolts.
I don't believe it for a second. Any virus who's payload is in a FedEx exe for example is OS agnostic and will run through the libraries on that PC and encrypt everything. Sure maybe because SMB1 is up to date on 10 it didn't spread from there to neighboring devices but that's only a nicety.
I have seen many windows 10 machine encrypted with ransomware before this latest outbreak btw.
The assertion that Windows 10 is somehow holy and righteous is just BS.
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Sorry, but only to say it is BS does not help. What is your Suggestion to to it better, no not only better to do it right? 
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Quote: The assertion that Windows 10 is somehow holy and righteous is just BS.
I was specifically referring to the Wanna Cry ransom virus. Windows 10 does not have the vulnerability that is exploited by that particular virus. Yes, it does not mean that 10 is immune to all versions of ransomware. You still have to take some basic precautions, even with 10!
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Tell us why that is please.
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Cornelius Henning wrote: Windows 10 does not have the vulnerability that is exploited by that particular virus
I'm gonna have to call you out on this, not for the sake of telling you you're wrong, but for the sake of others who might read this claim and think they're inherently protected.
There was an SMB patch for Windows 10 that first came out in March that took care of this problem. The Creators Update for Windows 10 that came out in March (which brings its build number to 1703) was already patched out of the gate so it was never vulnerable, but if you are on 1607, 1511 or 1507 and haven't installed any of the cumulative updates that predate that, that machine is vulnerable.
See the table here. Notice the section on Windows 10.
Also see this, which describes a couple of methods to verify whether a machine is properly patched or not. Notice the sections that cover Windows 10 TH1 and 2 ("Threshold" = 1507 and 1511) and RS1 ("Redstone" = 1607).
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It's a complicated one...
Just because it's free, doesn't mean it's good: in the last century you could get free wine if you went along to a time share meeting. That didn't mean it was a good idea to go at all!
Win 10 splits opinion, probably because it's something of a mess. MS decided that they wanted the mobile market, so they produced a "mobile friendly" OS - and made it the only version available for desktops and mobiles. Trouble is, what they hit with a hammer to try and force it to be mobile hurt it as a desktop OS, and what they left to support desktop users hurt it as a mobile OS - try it on a tablet and you'll see what I mean; it's not not "together" as a mobile OS in the same way that Android (and even iOS) are (the soft keyboard alone is a PITA which eats half your screen!)
And when you compare it's schizophrenia with Win7 which was "together" as a OS it just looks worse and can be very frustrating for "normal" users. Try working with the Settings app and you'll soon find yourself back at Control Panel!
Don't get me wrong: I'm using it, both desktop and on the WookieTab. But as a desktop OS user experience, Win 7 was better. And as a mobile OS, it's far, far short of Android in many ways.
What they should have done is taken a deep breath and designed a new OS for mobile, without all the legacy support they have to have in desktop. It might even have got them significant mobile sales...
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You do raise some good points, thanks!
However, I believe the "ugliness" stems from Microsoft's own guidelines for the visual appearance of productivity apps. Their guidelines make for some very bland and uninteresting users' interfaces. Personally, I do think they take the UI guidelines too far, but that is not reason enough to shoot down the entire OS.
I have been using 10 for more than a year now, and on the whole I am happy with it.
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Cornelius,
You are right on some points overall.
But if you are asking WHY I tend to Hate MSFT Windows, et al. My BIGGEST Complaints...
1) NOTHING they promise you will be supported in the future (16 bit C++, Silverlight, etc)
2) They PREVENT software (Office 2000) from installing on newer OSes... Forcing Upgrades
3) You like VS 2017. Okay, I have some code for a client, all done in VS about 9 years ago.
He called, He would like a handful of simple changes. Without MY ORIGINAL version of VS,
and using this new wonderful 2017 tool... Can you even recompile it?
Every VS Serious developer I know has LITERALLY 3 versions of VS on their machine for this
reason. Not 1 version.
4) I went from Windows XP to Windows 7. I love Windows 7. Windows 8 came on my wifes computer.
I wish I could have you spend the time it takes to show her how to do things.
For one, I would have ASSUMED RIGHT CLICKING on a blank panel would let you go to properties,
and change the configuration of that panel. NOPE.
5) They keep moving the standards. Right click gets dropped when I am not in a touch screen?
What they did to Office Toolbars is pathological. These Ribbons, Ugghhh.
and then they SHOVE it down your throat. I used to be able to support my clients by launching a GoToMeeting, sharing their screen, ASKING for keyboard/mouse control, and then install software, etc.
But windows 8 came out, and Elevated Prompts don't get sent to my screen. My clients have to sit there and okay everything or click on buttons for me. Without an EASY work around.
I now PAY for TeamViewer so I can switch to that, because, IMO, Microsoft broke how things work.
Most of my clients have been with me for 20years. You have no idea how many headaches I get because MSFT has changed rules about writing data to the program directory, or competing software labeled as unsafe to install (LOL).
Finally, there are problems with ALL OSes... They are imperfect because we are all growing and learning. But if the OFFICE document format was truly inter-operable, I believe MSFT would lose about 30% of its market share of the desktop. (So, I like the products in general. I hate the way they move forward and force everyone to throw their investments out!)
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OriginalGriff wrote: Trouble is, what they hit with a hammer to try and force it to be mobile hurt it as a desktop OS
OriginalGriff wrote: What they should have done is taken a deep breath and designed a new OS for mobile,
Or, if they'd just done a "responsive" UI that knew you were running a desktop and didn't want the Mobile features then that even would've helped a lot. However, I believe they wanted to force people to the new UX because they knew there would be people who would never change and that would force them to to do more work in perpetuity.
Also, they know, "Hey, if we anger most of the people most of the time, there will still be some of the people who aren't angered. And, not all of the people are angered all the time."
It's a win! 
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Well, maybe.
But what they ended up with is a mobile OS that is too big, too slow, too greedy: the Wookie tab is dual boot Win 10 & Android. The whole Android OS and data partition is 5GB - Win 10 alone is 20GB and runs noticeably slower than Android on the same hardware. Bear in mind that Android will run happily in 1 GB of RAM and Win 10 ... well let's be charitable and say it will walk in 1 GB ...
And that's the whole problem: it's not a desktop OS any more, but it's not a mobile OS either. I'm not sure what it is, but that's probably a lot of why most users just don't like it. If it can't decide what it wants to be, how are users supposed to to? 
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Great points! Very interesting.
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