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My thought is that Doctor Who is "jumping the shark" with this cast change, trying to be politically correct and also appeal to an extra 50% of the audience without losing too many of the ones they have - and viewing figures were slumping until recently when the stories improved a little, returning the the older style adventures.

Also, they have already missed the shock factor since The Master regenerated into a woman long ago and we were apparently fine with that.

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Forogar wrote:
The Master regenerated into a woman long ago and we were apparently fine with that.

So women on the BBC are like English men in Hollywood: it's fine if they're the evil bad-guys, but not if they're the hero? D'Oh! | :doh:

Forogar wrote:
appeal to an extra 50% of the audience

I'd hope that considerably more that 50% of the audience care more about the quality of the stories than the contents of the Doctor's underpants.

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Richard Deeming wrote:
contents of the Doctor's underpants

And how do you know we won't find out in some later episode "she" is trans?

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What difference would that make? Confused | :confused:

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None to me --- I don't like Dr. Who --- poorly acted, poorly written, inane stories. And also, then it's not a really a woman.

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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
And also, then it's not a really a woman.

So a fictional alien character from a show you don't watch and don't like isn't really a woman, in your estimation? Well, excuse me while I count all the elephants I don't give! D'Oh! | :doh:

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You sure like to make invalid logical leaps. And you don't seem to understand the subjective tense and regular grammar. You mentioned someone being concerned about the contents of a player's underpants, I mentioned what if it turns out said contents of the underpants of the 'woman' playing Dr. Who were male, then said player wouldn't be a woman.

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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
I mentioned what if it turns out said contents of the underpants of the 'woman' playing Dr. Who were male, then said player wouldn't be a woman.

And I say again: so what?

Why are you so interested in the genitalia of a fictional character, or the actor playing that character?

What difference does it make if the magical alien has breasts or balls? Or both? Or neither? Or some unutterable eldritch alien ovipositor?

So long as the story's good, who gives a Dumbo?

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Richard Deeming wrote:
Why are you so interested in the genitalia of a fictional character, or the actor playing that character?

I'm not, you're the one who brought up the contents of underpants. So it's you who must be overly interested. I merely made a jesting inquisitive comment on your post.

Richard Deeming wrote:
What difference does it make if the magical alien has breasts or balls? Or both? Or neither? Or some unutterable eldritch alien ovipositor?

Again, you're the one who brought it up, so it's you who must answer the question. And given the fact you know how to refer to animal and insect genitalia I see you have quite the fetish going on there. And evil??? Wow, quite the self-hate you having going on.

Richard Deeming wrote:
So long as the story's good,

And the acting. Spot on, and that's what my independent post says as well.

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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
I'm not, you're the one who brought up the contents of underpants.

I wrote:
I'd hope that considerably more that 50% of the audience care more about the quality of the stories than the contents of the Doctor's underpants.

Read that again. I'll wait.

Yes, I said I DON'T CARE about the contents of the character's underpants.

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Again, you're the one who brought it up, so it's you who must answer the question.

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
And how do you know we won't find out in some later episode "she" is trans?

Again, you're the one who's worried about the character's gender identity. I don't give a sh*t.

TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
And given the fact you know how to refer to animal and insect genitalia ...

Anyone who's seen "Alien" knows what an ovipositor is.

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Thanks for proving my points.

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I'm going to buy you a dictionary so you can look up the definition of that word! Laugh | :laugh:

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Don't need it. You're the one who needs to stop assuming you know everything and know who and how everyone is. But then telling that to a narcissist like you is pointless.

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Forogar wrote:
My thought is that Doctor Who is "jumping the shark" with this cast change, trying to be politically correct

So what you're saying here is that a woman couldn't have been the best actor who auditioned?

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They decided to have the Doctor be a woman before they even started to talk about who they wanted to play her.

And your proof for this is what? Do you have proof that they only interviewed women?

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They purposefully set out to cast the new Doctor as a woman.

Would there have been this level of debate if they had set out to cast a man? I honestly don't see what the problem is with the Doctor being a woman. Shock, gasp, we have lady doctors in the real world so why not in a fictional world?

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The character played isn't a Doctor, medical or otherwise, it's just a name or title. It means nothing.

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Gosh. Really. I am so surprised. I never knew that. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

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So then your previous post is meaningless as well.

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Yes, there is always a big discussion that brings out negative comments.

It was in one of the news stories, forget which one. The show has a new producer who wanted to put his own spin on it and Peter Capaldi the current doctor apparently suggested it.

Forogar wrote:
Also, they have already missed the shock factor since The Master regenerated into a woman long ago and we were apparently fine with that.

Surely they missed the shock factor by announcing it five months ahead of the regeneration. I know it's nigh on impossible to keep something like that secret these days but they could at least try.

I'm one of those old-school Whovians who thinks it's all been a bit downhill since Tom Baker hung up his scarf but the last series was the best Nu-Who for a good while and it's a great shame that Capaldi's not staying as he's been wonderful in the part. That said, though - in the immortal words of Freddie Mercury- the show must go on - and I certainly don't see anything wrong with The Doctor taking a female form.

Is going from a man to a woman really a bigger change than going from Bill Hartnell to Patrick Troughton or from Sylvester McCoy to Christopher Ecclestone? The show has always gone for pretty dramatic shifts between incarnations and this is just maintaining a 50-odd year-old tradition.

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PeejayAdams wrote:
Sylvester McCoy to Christopher Ecclestone

Via Paul McGann. He might only have appeared in one film (and one online-only anniversary special), and the main revelation of the film might have been totally ignored since then, but he's always counted on the list of regenerations.

And also via John Hurt, although we didn't know that at the time. Smile | :)

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