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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: tightened up
Blow to pieces and rebuild from the ground you mean... Tell me about that... 
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I don't fully agree that the person who writes the code shouldn't also write the tests.
The only benefit I see is the person writing the test will be in a different mindset to the coder, which can lead to some tests that the coder wouldn't have thought of.
The bad side is that it would take so long to have them bounce code and tests back and for until both were happy, I'd think it would cost more money than it would save. Also, you assume the person writing the tests have a complete understanding of all units of logic that go towards fulfilling the requirement. Even if the code was documented and we'll written, there would still be induction period for the person writing the test to get acquainted with the new code that the coder wouldn't face.
It's all a cost/benefit ratio that I think favours the coder to do both.
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To write a test all you need is the method to test (the signature)... No need of knowing what is inside, but what is expected by requirements...
Also - a test oriented people will not drop an existing test of an existing method, just because there is a new requirement (especially if the method actually an API for externals too). The one who wrote the code, and made sure all parts of the system play nicely with the new code may think that all is good and drop (change) the existing test, neglecting the fact that there are callers from the outside too...
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Matt.L wrote: The only benefit I see is the person writing the test will be in a different mindset to the coder, which can lead to some tests that the coder wouldn't have thought of.
So you never overlooked something when proofreading something you wrote? Did you never fall into the trap of repeating errors based on some misunderstanding over and over again?
Any tester can tell you that the author usually is the last person who should conduct or write any tests. He usually is not objective enough.
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CodeWraith wrote: not objective enough
Not objective at all, you should say! After all, it is his making! He loves it!!!
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: He loves it!!!
As if that were the only problem. I also have already seen what happens when the tests become some kind of ritual which everyone must perform, but nobody really gives a moist fu.. about it. The only thing that counts are andless rows of green tests that actually test only very little.
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Any tester Anybody can tell you that the author usually is the last person who should conduct or write any tests.
Furthermore any auditor or certifying authority will tell you the author must never write nor perform the testing and in some cases should not even have access to the testing suite.
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the any key okay
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Once again, the Simpsons has the answer.. 
Homers Enemy-Nuclear contest scene+Frank goes crazy - YouTube
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Try one blokes junction, Will! (9)
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Testament
Test -> Try
A -> One
Men -> Blokes
Junction - T
"Lasting Will and Testament"...
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And that gets you the prize: you are up tomorrow! 
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I know it's the only time some poor guys will have the last word, but what is a lasting will and testament? Carved in stone?
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It's the document that tells people how you want your property spread around once you are gone (assuming taxes leave anything to spread around, and that the relatives who descend immediately upon hearing you are no longer there left anything for the tax man to steal.
You know the old saying: "Where there is a Will, there is a bunch of vultures".
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OriginalGriff wrote: You know the old saying: "Where there is a Will, there is a bunch of vultures".
No. Just last week I got the notification from the court I responded by declining to take my share in favor of my father.
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Lasting beyond the author.
I believe "Last will and testament" is the more common usage though.
Not for me though - I'd accept that over my dead body.
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some === most?
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A lot, certainly - but I've not done any statistical analysis so I can't confirm proportions.
Then you get those like the post below ... who the heck upvoted his code dump in the lounge? 
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Someone with the same qualities? One who never reads/listens?
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You know, I don't open links like that! Can you print it and send it to me?
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Yes, please tell us where our special delivery squad team can find you. 
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Certainly! All I need is the address, and your bank account details...
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First he should go here[^] and mark the content he wants to have printed.
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then you should ask in the message board below the article.
That way the author get a notification and possible an email too.
If he still maintains the article, you will get better answer there than here.
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