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So I made a web based document uploading application. Prior to this the users had been using that atrocity, Confluence, for this purpose. At the end of this example, I note what it all comes down to.
They had three fields:
BROWSE (button: pick a file),
CAPTION a text field for a friendly name for the file for presentation to those who might read it.
DEPT the visibility: all viewers or limit to a single department.
Built in, behind the scenes, was a handler for checking for a duplicate file and forcing it to an update (serializing old information as an archive).
That was too hard. The had me use the file name and create a description from that (which is, in general, crap), and preset to their own department.
That was too hard. The had me add an update button to the view/display component so everything is pre-done except the selecting the file for upload, serializing, but replacing the old file with the new (and allowing editing of fields which are now pre-loaded with previous values).
I noted that one could now select a file for update, and change their mind, overlaying one reference with totally wrong data. Still. That's what they wanted. (The original would only replace if file-names matched).
OK - now there's nothing left to do but pick the file from your computer.
Everything else was optional and done for you.
In the AM, sure enough, the user elephanted it up with the only error route left, overlaying and wiping out an existing from an unrelated posting.
So, here's what I've discerned about our profession:
You need to code until you reach the lowest common denominator.
Then you need to keep going.
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| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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You are doing it wrong. Users take everything the computer tells them at face value while never believing anything you say. Especially scareware makes users perfectly manageable. Just add a few message boxes with the right texts and they come and beg for exactly those things you could not sell them.
I need a perfect, to the point answer as I am not aware of this.
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An alternate view on your take:
They'll pay for a Windows Upgrade - with everything re-arranged and messed up - and just "deal with it". But our in-house stuff? Perish the thought anything is changed! Torches and pitch forks!
The older method was much more difficult than my base-method and quite unfriendly. Maybe I should have made it more difficult.
But - I do, for different purposes - practice a degree of social engineering on the users. What's incredible is that it's in their interest as much, or more, than in mine.
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| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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W∴ Balboos wrote: They'll pay for a Windows Upgrade - with everything re-arranged and messed up - and just "deal with it".
Of course they do. That's what they have been conditioned to do. They have been promised eternal torture and damnation by marketing if they don't. Isn't it a miracle how every current Windows version is better and more secure than all the predecessors (which claimed to be the same when they were new)? Scareware at its best. The guys who want to save us from a threat have done their best to help this threat to become one. The only more obvious thing they could do, would be to exploit vulnerabilities themselves every time the hackers don't find them quickly enough.
I need a perfect, to the point answer as I am not aware of this.
Please don't reply explaining what method overloading is
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I mean to make her play Multi-player games with you 
Okay that's a serious question. My wife feels I'm too old to play computer games and I'm wasting time, *irresponsibly*.
I want to know , if 35 years old is too old for games? Anybody older than me here playing PC/Xbox games at home? & Have you ever managed to convince your wife to give you company for a multi-player game?
If so, what game was that & how did that happen? 
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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Vunic wrote: 35 years old is too old for games?
No.
Vunic wrote: Anybody older than me here playing PC/Xbox games at home?
Yes, me for one.
Vunic wrote: Have you ever managed to convince your wife to give you company for a multi-player game?
Yes. Once.
Vunic wrote: If so, what game was that & how did that happen?
Doom II. She played it so much (as did I) that I had to buy two identical computers so I wouldn't have an edge at all.
Then I creamed her for an hour. She was terrible. Just stood there and shot at me while I straffed round her in circles ... Tried to teach her, but she never really got the idea, even when I let her have the rocket launcher and me just bare hands. I still beat her.
She never played against me again. 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Back in the day when Halo on the Xbox had a local split screen Co-op mode me and the Mrs had loads of fun playing around.
Then we would switch the Xbox on.
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Tell her she's too old to play dress-up, and stop buying 'fashionable clothing', makeup, etc., and spend the time more responsibly. Add into that her time chatting (i.e., gossiping) with her friends.
Maybe then she'll get the point that your recreational pleasures are every bit as good as hers.*
Beware that she may use the time she used irresponsibly to make plans for becoming a widow . . . (at your expense).
* you can offer a compromise: lure you from gaming with sex.
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I am over 35 and I still like online games. At the moment I have none installed because I don't want to play right now. Baby is more satisfactory to play with 
But yes... I will play again some-when in the future.
No, no way my wife will ever play with the computer, she doesn't like them and don't want to even try it.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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That's cool, tell her you'll take up rock climbing as a hobby instead, watch 127 Hours with her, and then return to the concept of "irresponsible" hobbies (time wasting).
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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You could try being strategic and talk to her about the need for both of you to "reconnect with your inner child" as a way to "enrich and improve the relationship". Such bullshit usually works. Or at least it won't get you fired from google.
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Vunic wrote: I want to know , if 35 years old is too old for games?
I'm a 40-year old level 100 fire-mage. Why don't you login for a quick showdown in Alterac Valley?
Different partners reacted, well, differently. At one time, there were two desktops in the living-room next to each other, and that was were dinner got served. Then again, if you both like the same game, you may be putting some more hours into it than originally planned <grin>.
The current romantic interest does not like to play computer-games at all, and thinks I need to grow up more - but she will look at other grown kids playing "soccer" and even cheer to the TV.
Vunic wrote: I'm wasting time, *irresponsibly*.
Ask her, nicely and from a distance, how one would waste time responsibly.
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Let me think... i know a lot of 35y+ gamers...
i am not one of those guys but me and her organizied a LAN Party at our place and she played every game with us (Counterstrike, Call of Duty, her favourite Stronghold Crusader and so on), then on XBox Fifa with her sometimes although she always loses.
Also VR games, but mostly before sleeping ... 
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Vunic wrote: I mean to make her play Multi-player games with you
Not long ago that would attract the comment "liberal minded,"
but there's websites and chat groups for that stuff and niches for those with other tastes and....
oh, you meant computer/console/phone multi-player games (make-believe whips and chains and...?)
Sin tack
the any key okay
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Vunic wrote: Have you ever managed to convince your wife to give you company for a multi-player game?
You just need to find multi-player exercise or cooking games.
Can't wait to be fired by Google for making that comment. Oh wait, I don't work for Google.
Marc
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Not action/violent type games, generally. Neither of us actually.
Though we have played some Kinect games with the kid in the past.
And the Lego games.
More recently, the kid has been playing games on Steam and downloaded some party-type games that we all played.
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Is 35 years old is too old for games? Nope, so long as you deal with your other responsibilities.
Vunic wrote: Anybody older than me here playing PC/Xbox games at home?
Mostly PC when I have the spare time, which isn't much at this point in time.
Vunic wrote: Have you ever managed to convince your wife to give you company for a multi-player game?
That is actually how we met, playing games.
Vunic wrote: If so, what game was that & how did that happen?
We met playing World of Warcraft, which is a habit we kicked. We've also played Forza, other racing games, some of the tactical shooters, Minecraft, and so on. We have to be careful because if it is a game that either of us get seriously competitive in and the other isn't as good, it can get frustrating. Just have to remember that it isn't as important as your marriage and happiness.
So long as we take care of life first and this is a way to blow off some steam, then it works. Everything in moderation.
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66+ and I play Guild Wars 2 every day. My wife is just fine with this - she has her own business and is equally busy with that. We do see each other every so often, so we're OK...
'PLAN' is NOT one of those four-letter words.
'When money talks, nobody listens to the customer anymore.'
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I'm older than you are, and I still play the occasional computer game (XBox mostly, these days). Never really got into them when they were newfangled things, so I'm not as into them as a lot of people are. I've never gotten my wife to play, but my kid, now that's a different matter.
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My husband plays online games a lot and I realize that is a form of stress release for him. I don't have very good hand-eye coordination that is usually necessary for the games he plays but it is fun to watch him play.
They can be a huge time-drain if you let them but some form of recreation is a good thing. I'm thankful that his hobby is gaming and not something that takes him away from home a lot.
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As a 41 year old I generally find myself playing games with my Kids !!
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If it pleases you,... well, go ahead. I was singing in a chorus, and you wouldn't believe how excited those 70+ year old grandfathers were every Wendnesday night, telling about the new smartphone apps they had obtained since last chorus pratice. I am sure that they were out chasing pokemons with their grandchildren, and I am quite sure that the most eager own was the grandpa.
I had had enough of computer games when I was 21 or 22. Some of my fellow students really should have consulted a psychologist; one of them later stated that "I was a university sophmore for the three best years of my life".
That was due to one single game. It even is so long ago that we didn't have any network. We didn't have any graphic animations, we had 25 by 80 characters: Black, dim green and green. And inverse video: When these gamers set off the dynamite they had found in the cave, the blast set off a dozen of inverse video flashes of the entire screen; first time you saw it you probably tipped your chair over on its back. The original, one-player Adventure game.
It doesn't take fancy animation, graphics, 32 bit colors and sound effects. All it takes is a lively fantasy (the images are much better in radio plays than in screenplays!), and a monomaniac mind.
Watching the "life" of my fellow students gave me computer games up to here. I early learned how far it can go. You have the right to spend your spare time the way you like. I just never felt like going into the same trap myself.
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Well, you might ask She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed: "Didn't you marry me because I was Peter Pan ?"
Or, you might remind her that there are other vices the male-beast is susceptible to that are far worse.
cheers, Bill
«While I complain of being able to see only a shadow of the past, I may be insensitive to reality as it is now, since I'm not at a stage of development where I'm capable of seeing it. A few hundred years later another traveler despairing as myself, may mourn the disappearance of what I may have seen, but failed to see.» Claude Levi-Strauss (Tristes Tropiques, 1955)
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'The good software development manifesto', to be precise. Now that's sweet. So sweet that it makes me ill.
Quote: This means you need tests to prove your code works, and you need processes around your code that produce data that prove you’re not reverting code.
In no place and at no time a test has ever proven anything.
Quote: Coding is important, but it is important in the way an engine is important in a car. The best software developers have empathy for others who have different roles, interests, and stresses on them.
<cynism>The best software developers are complete masochists and have no empathy for anyone, including themselves. They will gladly say 'I told you so' and rub in your mistake until your last breath.
Quote: One of the first “languages” I learned was 8086 assembler. That was as close to the metal as I ever came. If we were really just “programming computers,” we would all be writing bytecode. Computers understand it best. But we’re writing in a “compromise” language that other people can understand and that can be translated to something the computer understands.
Oh yeah. That's it. That's why we have so many who will never grasp what stuff like type safety or object orientation are about. You know, those poor souls who always are looking for that silver bullet that will finally make them successful.
Quote: Conway’s law predicts that your software is doomed to reflect your team and its communication structures. Process is the structure of that communication.
Then Conway's law also explains why a single good developer can succeed where entire teams have failed. A case for the 'Cowboys' and the 'Ninjas'.
Quote: If you believe that people’s ethnicity, gender, or whatever is a good way to judge their skills or what they have to teach you, you’re limiting your own development as a software developer.
Shirley that does not mean having to tolerate the speech bubbles from the management, marketing or sales? Or anyone else who could not program the escape routre out of a wet paper bag?
Quote: A logical theory tends to have a means by which you could be proven wrong. If it doesn’t, it probably isn’t a very good theory.
Oh Gawd! Science would be in deep trouble if that were true. It's, for example, impossible to prove the nonexistence of something. Instead, a theory should make predictions which then can be validated or falsified.
I need a perfect, to the point answer as I am not aware of this.
Please don't reply explaining what method overloading is
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