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Hi,
I got just a new router from my ISP, it is table top. I also bought a new wireless phone for my landline, again it is table top. In the flat where I live I have no space in the hall to put a table to put things on. What's more, I had figured the optimum position for phones and internet to work troughout the house, a wall mounted position.
Why can things no longer be wall mounted!
Regards,
Bram van Kampen
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I don't know about where you are, but here in Australia, things like routers and phone bases tend to have keyhole slots in the back/bottom so they can hang off screw heads on the wall. Take a look.
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Hi,
Well, my router has definitely no slots at the back, what's more, it has cable entries in the back rather than on the bottom. This latter feature alone makes it difficult to mount it against a wall.
Regards,
Bram van Kampen
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I'm not at home, but the router here (Mum's house, nephew's router) has the following layout as it sits on a side table: Top, vent slots. Left and right ends, blank. (Sloping) front, a few LEDs. Rear, Two antennae, connectors (RJ45 and power). Bottom: vent slots, keyhole recesses.
My modem/router at home is a larger rectangular box. IIRC, it has a removable stand, bottom cable entry. Don't remember if it has wall mounts, but if not a patch of double sided foam tape would work.
Cheers,
Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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I have my stack on the dresser. Just go with it and call it your data center at parties.
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I have the electric supply breakerboard hidden behind an ornate Indian style carved wood panel set in the wall.
I put the wireless router and wireless phone in there too. No wires are visible at all. Very clean, very nice.
However my desk, and an old bookcase beside it, has monitors laptops towers FW dev boards hub rack cards etc etc etc and two power cables with a complete christmas tree of adapters hanging off it, is a total mess! 
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IF they're actually in the wall, I think the electrical code might have a problem with the install.
Probably not an immediate concern, but if you ever have a fire and the insurance company is looking for a reason to deny you a payout...
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-- Sarah Hoyt
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No, it is good. It is in a recess in the wall, the fuse board was upgraded last month by an electrician to one with cutouts. It is al legal and well done.
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Well,
We call that here the "Consumer Distribution Board",and, in slang: "Fuse Board" (Although it no longer contains fuses) and that will only work if you have a very small house, or if this unit is close to the Horizontal and Vertical centre of the building. Under building regulations this distribution board is meant to be locked in a cabinet resistant to 30 minutes of a British Standard Fire (whatever that sort of fire is) In my case, it is mounted under the (wooden) stairs, and hidden by two little wooden doors. Unfortunately, from there get no coverage throughout the house. On the plus side, do not need to invest in ornate carved indian style panels to hide the architectural ugliness of a fuseboard.
As for your wiring mess, I suggest you sort it with a system of sockets and some trunking.
Regards
Bram van Kampen
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In France we are less draconian. :P
Plus the carved panel acting as a door was quite cheap. In fact in France any cover over a 'fuse board' has to allow an air flow, so it works well.
As for the wiring, its not only power cable, but all sorts of other crap, it really is a bordel.
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Well, glad to hear that you're happy about the lot. Oh, You seem to reside in France! I have observed their electrical standards requirements. Spain and Portugal are similar in that respect. I have been horrified about them. All I can say is, that if you are at peace with a chance of burning in your house on an unexpected night, stay there in a house so wired. Otherwise,wire the house to essentially BS rules. Under EU rules, you cannot be prohibited from doing so.
You state that in France anything that covers a 'Fuse Board' whilst allowing airflow for cooling is admissible. I doubt that sort of regulation very much, it fails to assess the issues at hand. Please send me a copy of the relevant regulations as you refer to. French documents would be acceptable.
Regards,
Bram van Kampen
modified 2-Oct-17 19:37pm.
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I mean the wiring at my desk, not the wiring in the house. That is well done. Did much of it myself, all in proper conduits, new cables, and all on separate logical spurs.
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At least both of us can now sleep easy
You can sleep safe in your house because you know you made a proper installation, I can also sleep easy from now on, because I warned you off of the potential pittfalls.
However you convinced me of the better knowledge you have about the particular circumstance in your case.
Bram van Kampen
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I have my PC in an alcove in my bedroom that is pretty much useless for anything else, apart from maybee a set of bookcases. I had my broadband connection and router installed in the bedroom so I could run a network cable from my desktop to the router, rather than rely on a wireless connection, and to have it handy if I'm working from home in case it needs a reset.
The one thing I have noticed about most electronic equipment these days is the fact that manufacturers seem to love bright LEDs on their kit, especially blue ones! When I turn off the lights there are LEDs shining and flashing everywhere! From the standby lights on TV and PVR, router, PC, Printer, Phone chargers etc, it's lit up like Christmas.
I have taken to applying electrician's tape over any LED that is noticeable from my bed, either directly, or as a diffuse glow on a wall.
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I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka.
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Well,
I agree with you about those lights. They are really only needed in case of a complete breakdown of the WiFi connection. When the WiFi connection exists, the computer can pick up failings quicker and easier than a human studying these flashing LED's.
It is I think a sort of re-interpretation of the Hour Glas, the Progress Bar, or even, the cartoon computers of the 1960's with flashing lights, showing: "Wow, I'm Alive, and working (hopefully)at your case". (it may at the same time also be very busy doing a lot of simple arithmetic, for instance, dividing 712 by zero, excepting, resetting, and trying it again) Who is to know!
That tape is a very good idea.
Regards 
Bram van Kampen
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Well it's not as if the manufacturers know how to mount devices to walls anyway.
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Well,
The first serious response on the issue.
When I go to hotels, there are wall mounted routers in the corridors, with 4 little aerials sticking out top and bottom (indicating vertical or circular polarisation of the RF Signal, depending on how they are phased).
That is the sort of wall mounted equipment I am looking for, but have not been able to source.
Every time I change ISP, (which is about once every three years) I get sent another cheap router that is designed for sitting somewhere on the coffee table rather than to be mounted in a strategic position on the wall. In most houses, the telephone cable does not terminate near the coffee table, nor is it likely that same has a power socket underneath it, furthermore, it is unlikely that that position will provide coverage to the furthest room in the house.
A router is a piece of building services infrastructure. It requires engineering expertise to install the right equipment in the right place.
When I get a different electricity supplier, they do not send me a new box of light bulbs to be used with 'their' electricity, nor, when I change my water supply company am I sent a box of new Taps, with their name on it, claiming that their water will flow less efficiently through the previous suppliers tap.
The only reason I can see for the ISP sending the cheap router is, the branding of the WiFi connection. My TalkTalk provider communicates perfectly via my BT Router.
The ISP's have spoiled the market for the suppliers such as Curry/PCWorld. They do not stock any routers anymore. The world is awash here with cheap and nasty ones. I am looking for a Decent One that I can incorporate in the building services of my house.
Regards, 
Bram van Kampen
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...you haven't tested your code enough.
I'm almost ready to post a 6-part article series, and the code still scares me a little...
Did I miss something really huge that I should have caught?
Did I make an invalid assumption about the state of an object?
Could I have done this thing, or that thing, a better way?
Did I not explain something enough in the narrative?
Should I have eaten more bacon to buoy my confidence?
Fourteen assemblies spread across two solutions, and throw SQL Server and multi-threading into the mix...
This is probably gonna leave a mark.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
modified 28-Sep-17 12:36pm.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Should I have eaten more bacon to buoy my confidence?
Yes.
All the others? Probably not. Proof read it, and publish that sucker - we'll spot any problems and you can fix 'em then with the addition of more bacon.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I hope to have it ready by Sunday. I'm still making small code tweaks, and I have to run through and update the screen shots due to a significant late-breaking change.
This has been more than a year in the making, and to be honest, I don't want to disappoint anyone, although there are always a few haters, no matter what I do or how I present it. Ah well...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
modified 28-Sep-17 12:42pm.
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Reason for my vote of 1:
This article is far too long to read! Can't you just skip to the part about more bacon?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I've actually been down-voted because an article was too long.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Richard Deeming wrote: Can't you just skip to the part about more bacon?
I find that many different types of tests work well with bacon. A test for all types of bacon, actually. The good thing is, you have to test the entire bacon for the test to be complete.
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Richard Deeming wrote: This article is far too long to read!
Yeah and where's the code download? Also, I cannot see the images.
You got serious work to do here. I can only give it a 1 also. 
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Ship It NOW!!!![^]
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OriginalGriff wrote: we'll spot any problems and you can fix 'em then
The fastest way to find bugs is to put the code in production. Omega test is what I call it. I have zero confidence in testers/QA. All they do is verify that what I say the code does, is what it does. Users know if it is right or wrong... QA, not so much.
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