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The pompey23-Oct-17 4:40

The pompey

23-Oct-17 4:40

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
when the issue is addressed.

Loving the double meaning here...more than I probably should.

#realJSOP23-Oct-17 4:46

23-Oct-17 4:46

I was afraid I was being too subtle. I'm happy that someone picked up on it. Smile | :)

".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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lopatir23-Oct-17 4:58

lopatir

23-Oct-17 4:58

you do have to be very exact and avoid abbreviations (i.e. use street, not st)
it does no no auto corrections i.e. "wshington"->"washington"
ans coz it can't any suggestions feedback and just takes the first best-fit guess on the first word.

Lucky for us here in tiny singapore every building has a unique postcode, so using just the postcode always works
using a street style address almost always problematic.

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#realJSOP23-Oct-17 5:13

23-Oct-17 5:13

I tried every variation of "Drive" in the street name I could think of (including not specifying "Drive" at all).

Google maps also didn't care how I spelled "drive" in the street address. It ALWAYS found my house.

lopatir23-Oct-17 5:42

lopatir

23-Oct-17 5:42

oh, didn't see the "geocode".
been a while since I did that.
quick notes )looking at some old code)
replace the spaces in the address with %20
the answers come back as decimal strings (not d.mmss) so for ex 1 degree 30 min would be 1.50000

sometimes it adds extra lat & lon results (POI's?? alternate similar?) - be sure to use FirstOrDefault

quick snippet (ignore the style)

decimal lat = 0m, lon = 0m;
WebRequest request = WebRequest.Create("http://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/geocode/xml?sensor=false&address=" + addr.Replace(" ", "%20"));
using (Stream stream = response.GetResponseStream()) {
    XDocument document = XDocument.Load(new StreamReader(stream));
    XElement longitudeElement = document.Descendants("lng").FirstOrDefault();
    XElement latitudeElement = document.Descendants("lat").FirstOrDefault();
        if (longitudeElement != null && latitudeElement != null) {
            lon = Decimal.Parse(longitudeElement.Value, CultureInfo.InvariantCulture);
            lat = Decimal.Parse(latitudeElement.Value, CultureInfo.InvariantCulture);
    ...

above from old code used at client site for 4 years, never missed yet.

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#realJSOP23-Oct-17 5:58

23-Oct-17 5:58

I'm actually building the url for the web request replacing spaces with "+".

#realJSOP23-Oct-17 6:00

23-Oct-17 6:00

I just tried it with spaces, and it does the same thing - the right house number and state, but otherwise, the wrong address. Thus all of the other info in the json response is also incorrect.

lopatir26-Oct-17 5:00

lopatir

26-Oct-17 5:00

Unlucky, but for me Singapore is a tiny place, 25 miles in most directions would be in the sea so perhaps they try a bit harder here. Maybe they figure in larger (proper) countries 25 miles is still close enough for many purposes (dropping nukes comes to mind.)

But seriously, commas perhaps? When you type your address in the google maps web page it'll normally fill out the url in the address bar with they way it likes it formatted (i.e. try cutting and pasting the google maps web page result url into the request.)

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#realJSOP23-Oct-17 6:06

23-Oct-17 6:06

I just tried the White House, and it found that address correctly.

However, when I enter my neighbor's house, I get the same error.

Basildane23-Oct-17 6:28

Basildane

23-Oct-17 6:28

> no idea how long

That's a good one. Back before I blocked Google, I was testing out their Google Voice before it was even released, it was in beta. I was one of the first users.

Had a MAJOR problem with it. That was around 10 years ago I think. They still haven't answered me. I still can't access the account, and every few months I get a notification that some fake burglar alarm company is "installing security systems in my neighborhood".

Losers.

Now I just block Google. Problem solved.

Daniel Pfeffer23-Oct-17 7:18

Daniel Pfeffer

23-Oct-17 7:18

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Instead of working on their new electronic utopia...

Given that "utopia" means "nowhere", I'd say it's working as designed. Big Grin | :-D

If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.

--Winston Churchill

Eddy Vluggen23-Oct-17 7:27

Eddy Vluggen

23-Oct-17 7:27

Hahaha, and to think Musk is afraid of AI Big Grin | :-D

I used Google Translate to translate "Puten" (some bird) into Dutch, and it came back as "Turkije", a country - not as "Kalkoen", which would have been a bird, and not a country. The AI is as intelligent as a free database that looks up literal translations.

Bastard Programmer from Hell Suspicious | :suss:

If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

#realJSOP23-Oct-17 8:04

23-Oct-17 8:04

Well, you'd think that there are very few ways to interpret an address. I need to get the gps coords for a given address, and that become pointless when the gps coords are 25 miles off the mark.

Eddy Vluggen23-Oct-17 8:13

Eddy Vluggen

23-Oct-17 8:13

X marks the spot, somewhere within a 25 mile radius. And some French dude going "WTF is a mile?" Laugh | :laugh:

Bastard Programmer from Hell Suspicious | :suss:

If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

SPA, JavaScript, Mobile and caching

dandy7223-Oct-17 8:23

dandy72

23-Oct-17 8:23

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Instead of working on their new electronic utopia, maybe they should consider fixing their services...

Nah, anything from Google that gets enough complaints, gets cancelled.

raddevus23-Oct-17 2:57

23-Oct-17 2:57

Last week I was writing and testing my Single Page App on multiple platforms and browsers:
* Android h/w (Lollipop) running Chrome -- My phone
* Android emulated (Nougat) running Chrome -- worked as expected
* Android Lollipop emulated running default browser
* Kindle Fire tablet h/w running (default) Silk browser -- intermittently flaky
* iPad Mini h/w running Safari -- worked perfectly
* iPhone emulated on Mac Mini running Safari -- worked perfectly
* Current desktop FireFox -- always worked
* Current desktop Chrome -- always worked
* Current desktop Edge -- always worked

At various times I was successful in getting it to run on various platforms and browsers.
The main issue was that The Desktop Browsers always worked as expected. It was a trick.
I also found that Safari browsers always seemed to work.

However, I could never get it to work on my phone running lollipop and Chrome.
It was driving me crazy.

Reload JS
You know, even on a dekstop browser you can do a force refresh 10 times and the underlying changed JS file doesn't actually refresh. Instead you have to load the JS directly and refresh it to get it to refresh. Sheesh.

Cache?
I always thought it was browser cache not showing me the current javascript and I was often correct.
However, testing this on a phone is a pain. I would go directly to the .js file via the browser on the phone and could see that the JS had not updated. I would do a refresh and could only assume the main page using the JS had updated. However, I later learned it was running a previous version.

This went on for days. Dead | X|

It is all so painful.

9 Year Old Post
I read this 9 year old post about this issue, which provides a way to handle this:
caching - When does browser automatically clear cache of external JavaScript file? - Stack Overflow[^]
But, even on that post on accepted answer someone says:

commentor said
This isn't bulletproof though, some proxy servers include query parameters as a part of the cache. The best solution is to add the timestamp or the version to the file name. On my site, I generate a 7 digit checksum of the file at build time, so if anything changes in the file a new checksum is generated, the file is renamed, and thus the browser knows to download the updated file.

Wow...just wow.
Testing on various browsers (especially mobile) is terrible.

CodeWraith23-Oct-17 3:06

CodeWraith

23-Oct-17 3:06

I see JavaScript as a life sentence for those who are too dumb to understand a pointer.

Edit: That also means that there is hope for the rest!

I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

raddevus23-Oct-17 3:11

23-Oct-17 3:11

CodeWraith wrote:
JavaScript as a life sentence

Yeah, I originally started in C/C++ also and I will always have a fondness for those languages.

The Browser is The OS now though. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

And, in this case, it is really the challenges of the browser itself -- since it does the caching -- and not really JavaScript's fault this time. But, I do like making JavaScript the scapegoat. Smile | :)

CodeWraith23-Oct-17 4:28

CodeWraith

23-Oct-17 4:28

Ok, then browsers, HTML and JavaScript and PHP are deserved punishment for sins one has commited in another life.

I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

raddevus23-Oct-17 5:14

23-Oct-17 5:14

CodeWraith wrote:
browsers, HTML and JavaScript

And, yet, without them, you wouldn't have been able to post this message.
The irony! The paradox! Big Grin | :-D

CodeWraith23-Oct-17 5:21

CodeWraith

23-Oct-17 5:21

Really? I write native clients wherever I can. Actually, they are not native at all. They run anywhere we have a .Net framework.

I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

raddevus23-Oct-17 5:49