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Clumpco31-Jan-18 20:45

Clumpco

31-Jan-18 20:45

dandy72 wrote:
I have a neighbor who calls himself an audiophile (the type who's spent tens of thousands in receivers and amps). Personally, I'm at a loss to suggest a soundcard to him - beyond what's build into motherboards these days. ASUS isn't exactly known as a high-end audio hardware maker. While I have little doubt it's better than onboard audio, I have to ask - have you ever looked at what else is out there?

OK, going totally off-topic here. Don't bother with a soundcard, there are plenty of really high quality USB DACs out there that will blow an audiophile's socks off. Personally I like FiiO and have their Olympus 2-E10K. It has headphone, line and digital coax outputs.

MKJCP1-Feb-18 8:31

MKJCP

1-Feb-18 8:31

Yes, FiiO makes good stuff. Bought the X5, very happy.

Foothill31-Jan-18 5:51

Foothill

31-Jan-18 5:51

You do know that you can build your own PC with superior specs for a little more than half the price than the one in your link and it can be done in less than two hours right? The markup on those machines is unbelievable.

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User 483504731-Jan-18 5:58

User 4835047

31-Jan-18 5:58

Price is in canadian pessos, not sure if you considered that.

Edit:

$2,384.00 US vs
$3,125.33 CAD for that particular PC

I actually did once a calculation based on prices from newegg, including delivery for each component and the markup was around 100-200 dollars with one year warranty.

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modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.

Foothill31-Jan-18 6:27

Foothill

31-Jan-18 6:27

Not including the video card since coin miners have driven up the prices to absurd levels, you can still get a better rig for that price.

My latest build:
Case - $130: Thermaltake Core V71 Full Tower
CPU - $330: Intel Core i7-7740X
MoBo - $350: ASUS ROG STRIX x299-E
RAM - $181: G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB (2x8GB)
SDD - $204: Intel SSD 600p M.2 512GB SSD fast as hell, BTW, Win 10 boots in seconds

Total - $1195 w/free shipping

I salvaged a EVGA GeForce 970 and several SSD's and spinning disks from the old rig so that helped. The 1070's now are running like $950 so that drives the price up for new.

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User 483504731-Jan-18 6:37

User 4835047

31-Jan-18 6:37

For the record the list you provide is NOT the PC I have linked. Not by a long shot.

Only the ASUS ROG GeForce GTX 1070 STRIX is $754.99 ok?

here some of the actual components:
Intel 7th Gen Core i7-7700K Desktop Processor (BX80677I77700K)
by Intel
CDN$ 398.00

ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero $340.99

IN WIN 805 BLACK Black Aluminum $225.99

ASUS ROG GeForce GTX 1070 STRIX $754.99

If we add the rest, it will be pretty close to what they charge.

Anyway, every 5 years or so I order a completely new PC and I kinda prefer the assembly to be done by a pro

Smile | :)

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modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.

Foothill31-Jan-18 8:32

Foothill

31-Jan-18 8:32

Stable Genius wrote:
For the record the list you provide is NOT the PC I have linked. Not by a long shot.

Um, not to get nit-picky here but it exceeds the PC you linked by a margin.

Component	Linked PC	My PC	Winner
CPU	i7-7700 LGA 1151 4.2GHz (5GHz overclock)	i7-7740X LGA 2066 4.3GHz (5.2GHz overclock)	My PC (just barely)
Motherboard	Asus ROG Maximus IX Hero	Asus ROG STRIX X299-E	My PC with 128 Max RAM and more PCI Express slots and the option to use a i7-7820X
Case	Complete toss-up here. Cases are more a personal preference but mine is bigger .
RAM	HyperX FURY DDR4 x16GB CAS Lat: 16	G.SKILL Ripjaws V DDR4 x16GB CAS Lat: 15	My PC just eeks a win here
SSD	Kingston UV400 480GB SATA 3 (90K IOPS/Read;35K IOPS/Write)	Intel 600p M.2 512GB (128.5K IOPS/Read;128K IOPS/Write)	My PC smokes your PC in this area with 1.7GBps sequential read vs 550MBps

As you can see, the PC that I built by hand is on par with the PC you linked in most ares and exceeds it in other areas. All for a lower price. Does the PC you linked have more flash and pizazz then mine? Yes.

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kalberts31-Jan-18 21:22

kalberts

31-Jan-18 21:22

Stable Genius wrote:
No cooling means overheating and life-span of a couple of years or so. All you can do is upgrade your hard drive, probably only one and add some memory.

I just bought myself a couple of Minix Neo Z83-4 (no relationships to the Minix OS): The Atom-based CPU draws 2 watts of power. I am not afraid of overheating! The specifications say that the system peak power requirement is below 1A @ 12V (i.e. less than 12 W peak); the only reason why it is delivered with a 3A power supply is for the 4 USB ports to supply power to external devices.

I did not buy these to replace a desktop system, but as hubs for a number of Arduiono to offload their collected data and to receive new orders. I wanted the network to be able to handle power blackouts, e.g. by going into a low-power mode in a controlled manner. So the hubs must be able to run on the power from a 12V accumulator for some time, preferably without draining it.

According to the specs this tiny little box can e.g. display 4K video while running cabled and/or wireless LAN, Buletooth, manage four USB ports,... Maybe it would get a little warm if you run all the subsystems 24/7 at maximum performance. For my use, the machines would be idling at least 90% of the time. I am hunting sparrows, I am not in a battle. I need no cannon to do the job.

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter31-Jan-18 4:02

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

31-Jan-18 4:02

It's a nice toy but overpriced (big time) for the features you have...

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PIEBALDconsult31-Jan-18 4:19

PIEBALDconsult

31-Jan-18 4:19

I build my own.

VE231-Jan-18 4:39

VE2

31-Jan-18 4:39

I usually buy components and build my own, but I'm getting older
and lazier! I appreciate the comments...I had doubts about cooling
and pricing. Only thing that appealed to me was size.

Ravi Bhavnani31-Jan-18 4:50

Ravi Bhavnani

31-Jan-18 4:50

my Gigabit Brix!

8 thread i7, 16GB RAM, 500GB fast write Samsung SSD, HDMI + DisplayPort video outputs, digital audio and 4 USB3 ports. A lot of goodness in a 4" x 4" x 2" package. Runs VS2015 blazingly fast and is deathly quiet. It's so small you can take it with you in your carry-on luggage when you travel by air. All you need is a keyboard, mouse and monitor.

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dandy7231-Jan-18 4:57

31-Jan-18 4:57

Wow, I'm guessing the naysayers who have responded so far have NOT used a NUC, or they simply didn't know what to expect or make of it. They certainly have their uses. There's Celeron-based NUCs that can be had for USD$125, but clearly - you can't build any sort of good machine around that, regardless of form factor.

I practically spend my entire time working off of virtual machines (running on a physical host in another room, at the office 70 kms away, or on Azure), so the machine I have on my desk doesn't matter all that much. What matters to me is that I have something that's quiet, isn't a huge power draw, and doesn't generate a ton of heat. That rules out a lot of standard machines. My VM host has loud fans and is quite the heat source (bad in the summer), so I didn't want it in my home office. That machine is tucked away in another room so I don't see or hear it, and I remote into it from the NUC on my desk.

I bought my first NUC (NUC5i5MYBE) almost 3 years ago when I first learned they could drive 4K monitors. So I have a 40" 4K TV as my main display running off of it, plus a 24" 1920x1200 monitor and a 27" 1920x1080 (both running off of VGA to USB 3 adapters). It boots up ridiculously fast. With an SSD and 16GB RAM, nearly everything I do locally gets an immediate response. This is fast enough to run three 1080p videos on all 3 monitors at the same time without ever dropping a single frame. It's no gaming machine, but that's not what I got it for. I've certainly used much slower laptops - it's an i5, 2.3 GHz, and 4 logical CPUs (2 cores + hyperthreading) so it's really no slouch.

Since then I've purchased a second one (NUC7i5BNH) as that newer generation can handle 32GB of RAM, and my main VM host (with 64GB) was getting bogged down, and I had a need to start creating a bunch of Linux VMs. And I didn't want another loud, power-hungry beast running 24/7.

While I don't run VS itself on it, given that some people are okay coding on old(ish) laptops, I could certainly see someone doing that on a NUC. And, they support virtualization, so even one with "merely" 16GB of RAM will do if you don't need a bunch of heavyweight VMs.

YMMV, but please - nobody will convince me there's no place for them.

modified 31-Jan-18 11:09am.

User 842031-Jan-18 5:03

31-Jan-18 5:03

I have a 1 year old Core i5 NUC with 16Gb RAM / 1 TB SSD running Windows 10 Pro. For the first 6-8 months it hung intermittently (1 in 5 times) upon boot or very soon after. If it made it through the first few minutes it was solid for as long as it remained on. Very frustrating. After a bunch of Intel driver updates a few months back it's MUCH better.

I don't want to curse it by saying it's totally fixed. Let's just say I'm cautiously optimistic.

dandy7231-Jan-18 5:13

31-Jan-18 5:13

Never had as much of a stutter on either of mine except for music streaming off of my LAN, but that turned out to be a player problem.

As you wrote, driver updates might help - but have you also looked at upgrading the BIOS? Intel seems to do a better job of regularly providing BIOS updates than most motherboard manufacturers.

That said, avoid the very recent Spectre/Meltdown updates. In this particular case, Intel's actually rolled back one of them (but then, that's not a problem specific to NUCs).

User 842031-Jan-18 5:21

31-Jan-18 5:21

I was probably too vague in my post. I've done every BIOS update that's come along (not including the most recent Spectre/Meltdown ones). So it could have been one of them that has improved things.

BTW - What's the problem with the current Intel Spectre/Meltdown updates?

dandy7231-Jan-18 5:37

31-Jan-18 5:37

Mike Mullikin wrote:
BTW - What's the problem with the current Intel Spectre/Meltdown updates?

Oh, boy, where do I start? Have you been hiding under a rock? Smile | :)

Intel's pretty much taken down every single BIOS updates they've published so far because of "random freezes" and "more frequent unexpected reboots". Running joke is that "more frequent than 0" is indeed a very bad thing.

I just happen to have installed one of the updates that has been taken down, but I haven't seen a single problem so far...so unless the situation changes, I'm not going to roll it back.

User 842031-Jan-18 5:41

31-Jan-18 5:41

dandy72 wrote:
Have you been hiding under a rock?

A little.

My NUC is in my basement... which is being remodeled... so I haven't done much of anything with it in a few weeks and probably won't for another few weeks.

Good timing I guess.

dandy7231-Jan-18 5:54

31-Jan-18 5:54

The loud heat generators are those that belong in the basement. A NUC is what you keep on your desk. Smile | :)

User 842031-Jan-18 7:25

31-Jan-18 7:25

The desk is in the basement. Upstairs I have my iPad and Chromebook!

I'm very near the point where I don't need the PC...

dandy7231-Jan-18 8:29

31-Jan-18 8:29

Not coding on these devices, I take it?

User 842031-Jan-18 8:32

31-Jan-18 8:32

Nope. I don't code at home at all anymore.

Hell, I'm at that point in my career where I don't code very much at work anymore. Laugh | :laugh:

Rick York31-Jan-18 5:32

Rick York

31-Jan-18 5:32

At my company we have a LOT of them for people who use primarily web-based apps and MS Office. For users like those the NUCs work well. We also have a number of what we call "marquee apps" for the factory floor and we use them for some of those.

If you need something that is a step up from an NUC, Zotac has little boxes that are a bit more capable. Some have pretty good graphics chips in them and cost about twice as much as an NUC. We use those when we need a bit more horsepower and connectivity like with multiple monitors and NICs.

dandy7231-Jan-18 5:59

31-Jan-18 5:59

Rick York wrote:
connectivity like with multiple monitors

I use a pair of these with mine. They predate the NUC in fact, and I have a spare one - I can confirm it'll run all three simultaneously at full 1080p resolution.