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When I have got to a good weight I can on occasion eat refined carbs and sugars.
And no it isnt 'incredibly unhealthy and unreasonable'. Mankind didnt have refined carbs or sugars till about 200 years ago.
And no, not drinking red wine is NOT realistic.
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LOL Ok, I'll leave you to your pseudo-science mumbo jumbo. When you finally crack the science make sure you go to Africa to spread the word there, maybe help lift those poor uneducated people from their obesity crisis too.
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What on earth are you on?
It is not 'pseudo-science' to state, correctly, that refined carbs and sugars are a relatively recent introduction to our diet and that hence not eating them is in no way dangerous, or odd.
And WTF has Africa got to do with it?
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Your original post talked about carbs, not refined carbs and refined sugars. My reply was about carbs, you are now talking about refined carbs ergo are now fighting a straw-man argument as your actual arguments hold no weight.
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Well since plant fiber is a carb, dont you suppose I was referring to the usual rice, potatoes, flour trio? (not to mention sugars)
F-ES Sitecore wrote: now fighting a straw-man argument as your actual arguments hold no weight.
Wow, I didnt realise me wanting to lose weight was such an argument. Apparently to some it is. You for example.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: Well since plant fiber is a carb, dont you suppose I was referring to the usual rice, potatoes, flour trio? (not to mention sugars)
LOL so now we need to know what you mean, not what you say? Regardless, not eating refined carbs is fairly unrealistic too.
Munchies_Matt wrote: Wow, I didnt realise me wanting to lose weight was such an argument.
I didn't say it was, I think it's fairly obvious the arguments I was referring to are your arguments that losing weight involves knowledge if chemistry, that it is complicated, that you can maintain a no-carb lifestyle and all the other things you (and others) have repeatedly said on this thread.
Seeing as it looks like you're finally out of anything of merit to say there is no point dragging this onto semantics.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: so now we need to know
So you never heard of the GI diet, refined carbs? Really? Do we need to tell you everything?
F-ES Sitecore wrote: not eating refined carbs is fairly unrealistic too
Because white rice, potatoes, and white flour is impossible not to eat? FFS get real would you.
F-ES Sitecore wrote: your arguments that losing weight involves knowledge if chemistry
No I didnt. I never mentioned chemistry.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: So you never heard of the GI diet
Garbage fad diet that won't help you lose weight in the long-term.
Munchies_Matt wrote: Because white rice, potatoes, and white flour is impossible not to eat?
I said fairly unrealistic, not impossible....it's even in the text you quoted. Straw-man argument.
Munchies_Matt wrote: I never mentioned chemistry.
You might not have mentioned the literal word chemistry, but when you talk about sugars, fats, insulin and their effects that is chemistry - "the scientific discipline involved with compounds composed of atoms, i.e. elements, and molecules, i.e. combinations of atoms: their composition, structure, properties, behavior and the changes they undergo during a reaction with other compounds"
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You are wrong and full of sh*t.
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See, you are fighting still. Since your first comment you have been antagonistic, negative, and combative. This post of yours just exposes you true intent.
Why? Had a bad day? Compensating? Someone damaged you as a kid and you are angry at the world?
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Still got no actual arguments I see so are resorting to ad hominem.
F-ES: 3 Matt: 0
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Bless, having the "last word" is all you have left.
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Bless, having the "last word" is all you have left.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: Why do you only get an obesity crisis in countries where manual labour is rare and food is in abundance?
Lots of sugar, the low price of protein (and fat) and no excercise.
Compared to a diet of rice, beans and hard labour. Never understood why people pay for fitness 
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I got up to 189 lbs and saw my dad ( who at one time must have hit 250+) coming in the mirror, so I went low carb. Yippy down to 160. It just melted off. When you starve you body of carbs I has no choice but to convert that fat into energy.
I found out that is was carbs I really liked all along. 
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Yep. It works. Plain as that.
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After reading a lot of the comments I figured I should throw my two cents in here as well. Forgive me, this might run a little long.
Calories in == Calories out is a myth. It's way more complicated than that. It also helps to know a bit of bioligical chemistry since our bodies are just big chemical machines.
- Genetics plays a large role on how your body handles fat
- Calorie type is important.
- How calories are consumed is important
For the role of genetics, you have to think about where your ancestors lived. Over generations, our ancestors bodies adapted to maximize survival chances in different ways. Tribes in areas where food is abundant in summer and scarce during winter, such as the Scandinavian countries, have adapted to put on fat quickly and to lose it slowly due to a slower metabolism (I know several people of Swedish decent like this). It can be quite the opposite for folks descending from tribes in areas with a lot more stable food supplies where fat can come and go quite easily. Genetics can make it really difficult for some people to lose weight in a safe way. For some, loosing weight is an uphill battle.
There are lots of things your body needs to maintain itself.
Micro-nutrients: these are the vitamins and minerals needed to keep you alive
Macro-nutrients: these are your sources of energy (i.e. things that can be readily converted to glucose)
Basic Macro-Nutrients
Protein: needed for cell building and maintenance. Also provides energy in the absence of glucose.
Carbohydrates-Monosacchrides: long chain sugar molecules. These get broken down into glucose. Examples are fats, starches, and fructose.
Carbohydrates-Disaccharides: simple sugars that can be easily converted to glucose such as sucrose and lactose.
Right here I could drone on about how all of these are used in the body but that would be the size of a post-grad's thesis so I will cut to the chase: how these are consumed makes a great bit of difference.
If you consume any of these in their natural state, your body first has to digest them. This does two things: it consumes energy and it slows down absorption in the intestines. Slowing down digestion of sugars is imperative for weight control. I will use the obesity problem here in America as an example. The one thing that I would argue that has attributed the most to our little obesity problem is High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS). Since the U.S. decided to put a tariff on Brazilian sugar, a lot of companies stopped putting cane sugar in foods and beverages and switched to HFCS because it is slightly cheaper.
Consuming fructose is natural but how it's ingested is the kicker. Putting a bit of HFCS in a pre-packaged meal is not that bad because you still have to digest it with the rest of the food. However, if you put fructose in a drink the effect is much worse. Fructose is readily absorbed by the small intestine and is metabolized exclusively by your liver. When you drink your fructose your blood sugar level spikes really high really fast. Your liver then sees all that sugar, realizes it's too much for it to handle, and calls for help. This cry for help is to your pancreas which releases insulin. The insulin signals your fat cells to start absorbing all the extra sugar. This little process can be seen when you drink a sugary drink, feel the energy from it, then experience the crash at the end. Metabolism in action. To sum up, avoid drinking your sugar.
You should also try to be consistently active. Walking a bit every hour is better than trying to squeeze all that activity into a work-out.
Do some strength training every week. Muscle burns more calories than fat which raises your basal metabolic rate. You don't have to be buff just good muscle tone.
Long story short: eat your calories, never drink them and be active. Also, be sure to vary your sources of calories to balance them out. A bit of protein, carbs, and sugar in each meal is good. Sugars for quick energy, carbs to feed you mid-range, and proteins to maintain energy later. Don't skip meals. Eating regularly will help you make your metabolism more predictable.
It also helps to do a mini-fast once a week (like on your day off), which is basically skipping breakfast and having a late lunch. This will cause your body to burn the fat stored in the liver. Once the fat in the liver is used up, it starts working on the fat stored in your body.
Of course this is my own personal opinion here but, in my defense, I eat three big meals a day, with an afternoon snack, plus drink 2 to 3 quarts of beer a night all while maintaining between 170-180 lbs and I have done this for almost a decade.
And one last little caveat, you also need to drink lots of plain old water. It helps a lot more than you think.
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Thanks. I see lots of ads for the latest fad diet and it never fails to amaze me how many people throw their money at them. It's a lot of wasted money when the right way to loose or maintain weigh is simple: know your own personal biology at take advantage of it.
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My brother is skinny, always was. Me, I am very carb sensitive. I can really pile on the fat, easily. I guess it is my viking genes coming through.
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