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What's math?
It is in any manner connected to mathematics or maths?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Some beans[^]. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Where would you recommend a beginner to start in programming?
I do have a brief understanding of these languages but need help choosing which is the most skillful and practical in the real world to learn and put to use?
I want to do something related solving, building, not just dealing with data. I want to see creations come to life.
1.Python
2.Php
3.HTML/CSS
4.Javaschript
Which shall I choose?
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I can't recommend any of those.
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Second that.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Werd.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you are reading articles about the 'best' programming language to start with, you are about to get a list of popular-easy-to-learn-but-not-really-powerful languages...
But in truth the best language should be one that influenced them and has the complexity that will demand the use of your brain and will teach you ideas, that true for all languages... Only that way you will be able to move on to almost any language you may will have to use...
To anyone serious I would tell to go for C, otherwise turn the dice and pick you number...
(And 3 is not programming language, but a UI/UX language)
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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For a complete beginner? As the others said, I wouldn't suggest any of those.
Peter's suggestion of C is a good one, but ... it's an old language and suffers from a lot of problems as a result, particularly if you don't know what you are doing. Because it is pointer based and doesn't use strong typing, it's very, very easy to make big mistakes without knowing and have them not show up as bugs until a lot later.
Instead, I'd suggest C# - the language itself is pretty simple (though it's getting more complicated with each revision) and it's also very powerful. It's reference based and garbage collected which means that most of the problems with C have been designed out. It'll take a while to learn properly (because the .NET framework on which it depends is very large) but once learned it can be used to write websites, desktop app,s mobile apps, ... and it's a very popular language in the job market.
All the tools you need to develop apps is available free from Microsoft as well - Google for Visual Studio Community Edition Download and you'll find it. And there are loads of books and courses on the language as well, mostly starting from the "complete beginner" level.
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None of the above - as OG said go with c#. However
sammygirl wrote: I want to do something related solving, building, not just dealing with data. I want to see creations come to life
that seems to indicate you are not interested in LOB but some more esoteric area of computing. I suggest you define you goals more completely and then choose the tool appropriate to that path.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Another vote for C# here.
You want this book[^]. Next, you want to download the free community edition of Visual Studio, so you can try the examples for yourself. Don't download examples to run them - copy them from the book and type each line.
sammygirl wrote: I want to see creations come to life.
You'll need to invest some time in learning the basics, which may be tedious at points.
It is well worth it though 
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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sammygirl wrote: which is the most skillful and practical in the real world to learn and put to use?
Nowadays developers are expected to know several languages so there really is no one language that you will jsu be able to settle on.
That said As other have recommended - C# is a good starting point.
Learning C# will give you a good basis for other languages.
I would also say that whichever programming language you learn also learn some form of SQL at the same time.
If you have time also familiarise yourself with the Uncle Bob videos on youtube CleanCode Episode 1 - YouTube[^]
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I recommend that ALL programmers learn Assembly language first, followed by C, and then branching out o the "simple" languages.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Sure, and write your own microkernel to load it while you're at it 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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That was one project I had in college, not to actually load but to pseudocode it out. It was one I didn't finish.
Wife had a miscarriage at the time didn't help the brain to function. We did eventually have 3 kids and the oldest is pregnant with our first grandchild, due at the end of August so no condolences needed.
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MarkTJohnson wrote: due at the end of August so no condolences needed.
Congratulations on almost being Grandpa!
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I recommend that ALL programmers learn Assembly language first,
Back in the 80s I tried my hand at assembly. At the time my only programming experience was with TI Basic on a little home computer. After a few days (daze) I finally managed to put a 8x8 colored square on the TV screen. That was the end of my "career" with assembly.
Sometimes the true reward for completing a task is not the money, but instead the satisfaction of a job well done. But it's usually the money.
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Please see this answer:
/ravi
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That's a really good list and summary of what we need to know as software developers - I still have a way to go on some of them
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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The best way to begin a career in programming is to train your brain. One of the best books I read and worked through towards that goal was Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs. The language Scheme[^] isn't the most important part here, but rather learning how to use that grey matter in your noggin to solve problems.
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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Start with Visual Studio Community Edition and C++ in a procedural way--that is, without objects.
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Easy there.. that's decent learning.
People stopped doing that a while ago.
I don't think people have the patience for C++ anymore. At least not as a first language.
I still remember trying to figure out pointers when I was 12. Good times.
First time I ever yelled at a computer screen, a book, and cursed the gods.
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But the thing is, ALL programming has pointers at the core, even if we pretend they are something different.
(Of course, pointers in C can get very out-of-hand. If I see something like ***pointer[offset], my eyes glaze over.)
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At that age, it was a brand new concept I couldn't relate to anything.
When I understood the "how", I did still question the "why" for many years, up until the point where I learned about CPU-registers.
At it's core, it's a conceptual necessity based on the way we build our chips.
Even today I still think pointers are fundamentally pointless.
Heh. 
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But definitely not that last huh, unless your job title now has 'of sales' in it =)
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