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Yes, sorry, I meant "on-site server room."
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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PeejayAdams wrote: physical, on-site servers offer more bangs for less buck year by year;
We've found that using Azure is much less expensive than having our own servers.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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...doing what?
If you're on some MS partner program and already get a bunch of Azure credits, then sure.
But if you actually have to pay for a large amount of bandwidth, storage, and instances of machines with a sh*tload of CPU and memory each...those meters start to spin pretty fast.
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The savings comes in not having to hire someone or many people to maintain and patch your own servers.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I suppose depending on the scale of it, it makes sense.
I work at home but have more VMs that need to be patched than exist at my (small) employer's actual office. For that--even though I'm just one guy here at home--I use WSUS.
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We found that paying for a cloud-server is 5-time more expensive than managing and replacing our server EVERY YEAR... And we do replace servers only every 3-5 years...
I hope that the 'fashion' attitude toward technical issues will fade away, and cloud will get its rightful place among other things (like mainframe, no-sql and others)...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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I'm not claiming to be more enlightened, but I recently migrated my stuff back to my in-house servers, mainly because I can precisely control it.
Look, I'm a control freak I admit it freely. but I hate losing total control of my systems, hence back to my own hardware.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Same here...
I discovered this:
Open-source virtualization management platform Proxmox VE
Recently.
Installed it on 4 nodes, on a Dell C6100 (96gb 32 Cores) blade server I had, and now I pretty much have my own on premise EC2 style platform.
Because it runs on Debian, it will run on pretty much any hardware you throw it at, and it supports Windows, Linux, Solaris and odd balls such as QNX and WindRiver RTOS systems.
It has a built in LXC Compatible containter system that can roll out Turnkey based Linux appliances, and there's several articles floating around the net that shows you how to add Docker support to it.
It prefers CPU's with virtualization extensions, as many virtualization platforms do, but will still run on systems that don't have VT extensions (Unlike Hyper-V) and even though full VM's on not VT hardware is not optimal, using the containers is not effected in anyway.
The system has web hooks for all it's operations, and I've hooked my own .NET core (Or am in the process of doing so) based DNS support into the system, so when I spin up a container I instantly get it registered in the system wide DHCP/DNS and proxy systems, which will then give me the ability to just say "Spinup a turnkey.... some app" and instantly have it available in the network with a registered IP and working routing.
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PeejayAdams wrote: What are the thoughts of the more enlightened?
They've already seen that cycle. Everybody else is just repeating history.
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To power a server alone will cost you over £500 a year (depends where you are obviously). To host a website, you need that server running 24/7. To host in the cloud, you only pay when the website is running. Architect correct.
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As a military historian\analyst as well as a senior software engineer, I can categorically state that the concept of the Cloud is probably one of the more stupid things the technological field has come up with.
Information is the supply-line of organizations. With multiple organizations increasingly storing their data in more centralized locations, cloud services are simply very large attack surfaces where multiple lines can be destroyed, corrupted, or disrupted.
Though an organization that stores all of its data in its own servers can also be just as easily attacked, its attack surface is much smaller and can in fact be made far more difficult to attack as a result of a good security team.
Cloud Services are merely another form of aggregators whose sole goal is to make money off its many clients.
Keep your attack surface as small as possible and you are not only more difficult to find, unless you are a large organization, but also less likely to be attacked in general...
Just my 2-cents... 
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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Not a chance.
Migration will go from Amazon to Azure to IBM Cloud.
IBM is closing our facility down. They will NOT host our backup server. Demanded we moved to their cloud. Since they screwed us, we moved to the Amazon Cloud where we have more experience.
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I do tend to agree with some of your thoughts but perhaps more toward moving to a Hosted off-site facility. The issues that I have had are that the internet does go down and your team has lost everything, especially if your running web enabled applications. In some locations power distribution is just as bad. The other issue is support where it is sometimes less expensive to have the hosted facility take care of all the hardware / setup support (VMware as an example) instead of hiring an internal person to do the maintenance.
In the long run you can probably buy the hardware for less then the monthly recurring charges and you may be able to get a better deal on OS / Server licenses. From my experience the "Cloud" services are very expensive and blocks a lot of access or even differentiates DB software (Azure). I asked about the support issues if my internet connection goes down how am I suppose to develop and update not just code but DB tables and SPROCS. Doesn't happen easily or cheaply.
Yep, the "Cloud" I believe just clouds up a lot of issues but it's the thing to do.
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Real estate is more expensive and desirable than hardware.
(Speaking from the basement "computer room").
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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So, I have an HTC phone.
It just popped up an alert, "HTC Sense - consider a new theme"
With a merry christmas theme. In elephanting March.
And the christmas picture was all northern hemisphere snowy - nice picture nevertheless. But here in NZ, December is all summery, and swimming, and BBQs, and sunblock, and beers at the beach.
And it's March.
GrrrrrAhh!
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Winter Is Coming
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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What's the mobile reception like in NZ? Is it possible that it just took 3 months to download the image before it could show you the notification? 
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Climate change. Soon the glaciers will head down from the South Pole, covering New Zealand in a mile of ice - in the summer!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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so you don't want the Jesus birthday theme,
would you prefer the Jesus death day theme with cute fluffy wabbits?
... oh wait, wabbits are an ecological disaster in NZ too.
but not to worry, JC is still quite popular over there people still keep calling him and asking him questions
...i.e.
"J*C* did you see that?"
"J*C* what a f*wit that w*ker was"
"J*C* are you that! stupid?"
"J*C* f*g woman drivers"
"J*C* will you shut the f* up?"
"J*C* F*!"
"J*C* who took the last cold beer and didn't put any more in the chilly bin?"
Message Signature
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I liked Venezuela, it was beers at the beach season all year long.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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Makes you wonder what totally useless software is also running all the time...
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A cook gets everything they need by plundering the wine rack. (11)
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Kitchenware
Anagram of "the wine rack"
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And you are up tomorrow. Well done!
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The funny thing is, I was just about to post saying it was too hard and I will be back later for the answer...
Then I remembered my own rule of counting letters in consecutive words to see if any match the total letters (i.e. check for possible anagrams). Then it was the letter K that made it stand out for me.
Anyhow, I realise explaining my thought process isn't part of the game. My real problem is I deleted my bank of clues, so now I need to think of a new one 
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