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So we understand the universe pretty good then? There's simulations on the big bang 
You don't have to understand the brain pretty good to build a (good) simulation. Those are built usually to verify whether what we think drives it is correct or not.
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That only means we understand our theory about the Big Bang -- not necessarily the universe. Hence any simulation would and does fail a comparison with the real universe.
The same would go for the human brain. We can simulate as far as we understand, but when compared to a real human brain, it fails.
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A simulation is not meant to be 100% the "real" thing. If it is, it's not a simulation anymore. And yes, sometimes a few modelling-rules are enough to explain complex systems.
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lmao. To model complexity requires complexity.
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A complex pattern of a flightpath of a flock of birds is easy to model with a few rules. The idea of simulating things is to reduce complexity
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True, but then they fail to reflect reality
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No, they don't; simulations aren't supposed to equal reality.
We model flight-behaviour by simple rules, without adding real-life complexities like chaning airpressure, butterflies flapping their wings, sudden hailstorms and more - since those real-life circumstances have negligable impact on the outcome, and aren't required for the modelling.
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Oh sure. But now you've gone far afield from the original subject: simulating the human brain. To get something even close to resembling the human brain, it needs to be a complex system. Sorry but simple wont do here.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: To get something even close to resembling the human brain, it needs to be a complex system
No, it doesn't. The building blocks of a brain are fairly simple. Especially the reptile-base part of the brain 
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Where did you get your wisdom that it needs to be complex? Any arguments for that?
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Wow, that's like saying building world trade center is simple because the parts that make it up are simple. Next you'll prove it by building it with just you and a friend then. 
Yeah, you can simulate such a building "simply", but it'll look like a cartoon and won't look, feel or respond anything like reality. Sure you'll be able to tell some stuff and it may be good enough for some purposes, but it won't reflect reality.
Same with your idea of "simply" simulating the brain.
It's pretty obvious really.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Wow, that's like saying building world trade center is simple because the parts that make it up are simple. Next you'll prove it by building it with just you and a friend then.
I'd use that as an argument to explain how building a simulated house is rather simple.
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Also a long shot, going from "simulating a universe" to "creating a universe".
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Yeah, you can simulate such a building "simply", but it'll look like a cartoon and won't look, feel or respond anything like reality.
The 6 rules to model a beehive do not predict exactly how a beeswarm will react, but it is perfectly valid to model a normal swarm and simulate it.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Sure you'll be able to tell some stuff and it may be good enough for some purposes, but it won't reflect reality.
It is not meant to be a perfect reflection, but a model to help understanding. The flapping of a butterfly may have effect on a beeswarm, but it is not a required part in the simulation. Been a screensaver since good ol' Win3.0.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Same with your idea of "simply" simulating the brain.
I didn't say that, but have fun
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ta ta. You're exhibiting the typical trollish behavior. Setup a strawman and then argue against it. What you're arguing isn't even what the OP is about.
Get real.
Bye
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I'm not arguing; just explaining that a simulated model is exactly that - an model with leaky abstractions as described by Joel Spolsky. Still, that old screensaver proves how you can get complex behaviour with a few simple rules; meaning complex systems can arise from simple building blocks.
In the case of the brain, we don't have the technology yet to simulate each individual cell. If we could, then more complex behaviour would probably emerge from the simpeler building blocks.
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Kent Sharkey wrote: within a decade
Niels Bohr: It is difficult to make predictions, especially about the future.
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The cheap busterds haven't even paid me for the implants.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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The robots can be connected in 17 different configurations. "Ready to form Voltron! Activate interlocks!"
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After months of heightened tech scrutiny from both Republicans and Democrats, the Justice Department is opening a new antitrust investigation into large tech firms like Facebook, Amazon, and Google. "Go directly to jail; do not pass go, do not collect $200"
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Job openings for mobile developers are booming while interest from job seekers trails off, says a new study from Indeed Probably still going through all the "native or cross-platform or web" articles
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The mobile devs are in rehab for framework addiction.
«Where is the Life we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?» T. S. Elliot
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An investigation by The Washington Post has uncovered a dozen accounts, pages, and groups across Facebook and Instagram which misleadingly claim to be official hubs for Libra, Facebook’s proposed digital currency. Scams on Facebook? This must be a first.
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Well, my new digital currency takes the tech a step further.
It's called Scorpio.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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With the first large fines for breaching EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) regulations upon us, and the UK government about to review GDPR guidelines, researchers have shown how even anonymised datasets can be traced back to individuals using machine learning. "So make no mistake with the man with no name"
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Logic bomb would crash spreadsheets after a certain date, resulting in Siemens hiring the contractor to fix the latest bugs. "A ba--?"
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Microsoft is working to standardize data-sharing terms via pre-designed licensing agreements, the first of which now are available for preview and comment. Because who wants to use any of the existing licenses?
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Obligatory xkcd: Standards
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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