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Stefan_Lang wrote: So, no, it's not obvious if you don't think to check it on a 'standard' computer.
I thought the whole idea of PDF's was that they look the same on every computer?
Then again, I know very little about PDF as a format.
It's probably like you say and they definitely should know better 
You'd expect this got sent to a couple of people for review so I guess all of them had this fancy font installed.
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Sander Rossel wrote: You'd expect this got sent to a couple of people for review
The PDF probably started out perfect. Then it got sent to 'the boss' for review.
Now, the boss being the boss has to ensure that they find a fault - otherwise they might not be a good boss anymore. So they say, "Hey, it's almost perfect, just change a few random letters to use this awesome font that I found the other day while pretending to do real work".
Of course, it won't be the boss to blame for the mistake, and will likely get raised as a reason not to give you that pay rise you ask for at your next review: "Hey, remember that time you used that stupid font and put the reputation of the whole company into disrepute..."
"The boss effect".
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musefan wrote: Of course, it won't be the boss to blame for the mistake
Well, to be fair, if your boss wants another font and it's your job to put fonts in documents and you mess it up you can't really blame it on your boss for wanting them in the first place 
Managers wanting changes just so they can change something sounds familiar though 
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Sander Rossel wrote: you can't really blame it on your boss
True I guess... though you can cut the brake cables on their car. I don't know, just putting suggestions out there... each to their own and whatnot.
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I tried that once, then I remembered I'm self employed
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Sander Rossel wrote: I thought the whole idea of PDF's was that they look the same on every computer?
I guess that is the idea. Reality may be different from the ideas 
When PDF was first released, my office computer had a 40 Mbyte disk drive (my new home PC had an enormous size 200 Mbyte SCSI disk!). 5.25" floppies (720 kbytes) were still a common storage format. Font files were no smaller in those days than they are today. If you had a thousand tiny PDF documents on your disk, having a thousand copies of the stanard Times Roman font would be a terrible waste of space. (This was before people went crazy with two hundred fonts in every document, so chances were much higher that they all used Times Roman or one of the other half-dozen "standard" fonts that was available everywhere. I've got a book on typography from those days, recommending that you limit yourself to two, at most three, diffent typefaces in any document, and at most three point sizes of each typeface.)
So PDF was designed with the option to embed into the document either the complete font definition (especially for documents intended to be edited in PDF format), or only information about characters actually uses (for read-only documents) or none at all, for a font that is assumed to be universally available. This choice is made on a font-by-font basis - you can leave out the standard fonts, but embed special fonts.
Today, with multi-terabyte disks and optical fiber communication, we don't see any reason for not embedding a fifty megabyte unicode font file with a half-page PDF document. 50 meg is nothing... Even a thousand such documents is just 50 gig of font information...
Fortunately, most font files are much smaller; few are above even one megabyte. But there are still space conserving people out there - or the standard settings of the document production system was made in the time when there were space conserving people around, and none has touched the settings since.
Bottom line: You are not guaranteed that a PDF document looks identical everywhere. It might depend on fonts not embedded.
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I didn't know that.
But I rarely use any non-standard fonts.
Sounds logical to not embed those though, especially in those days.
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GLOBAL MEAT CONSUMPTION IS A HOAX!
It's just what the cows want you to believe so that they don't go extinct.
It's kind of funny to think that if the vegans do take over, we might have to go to a zoo to see a cow and chicken (or watch re-runs on the famous Cartoon Network show).
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musefan wrote: It's kind of funny to think that if the vegans do take over, we might have to go to a zoo to see a cow and chicken
Kind of funny and kind of sad!
musefan wrote: or watch re-runs on the famous Cartoon Network show
YESSS!
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Sander Rossel wrote: ** Yes, we should all eat meat because it's natural and you're very insecure about your masculinity if you don't vent your love for meat on the internet, also, this post is not about that.
I'm not sure about that! I have put myself on a strict vegan diet now. From now on, I will only eat vegans*.
Please note, however, that this excludes Vogons, unless, of course they start to recite poetry.
* Mostly large dead cows an'stuff like that.
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Sander Rossel wrote: How did this ever get through QA or how did the person creating this not notice it?
What is this 'QA' that you talk about?
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For some reason, the words "Quetzalcoatl Aztec" was the first thing that came to mind 
It means that the Aztecs were punished by the god Quetzalcoatl for not properly testing their software
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Similar story, this week; got to choose a christmaspresent, and wanted the box with food. When I logged in, that option was already gone, so I selected another one. Got an email bit later saying they were out of those also.
The order-email is in Dutch, but filled with English tags like "spacer" to indicate which cells in the table should be blanc (and thus, aren't), and "label header", "label side" tags.
With a required field for the telephone (which is not relevant to getting the gift, but may be sold to others) and an emailfield that you have to supply twice. At least they made sure that both the emailadresses should be the same 
Sander Rossel wrote: How did this ever get through QA or how did the person creating this not notice it?
QA prolly being a one-person team, called "the manager", who nods once and simply assumes that the "spacer" tags will be replaced in the final version.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: and simply assumes that the "spacer" tags will be replaced in the final version
That's how it goes though.
Everyone assumed someone else will find the bugs.
It happened to my house, seven parties (builder, government, some instances whose sole job it is to check the figures...) messed up and my house had to be broken down and built back up.
I'm just happy that they found out during the building and not when I already lived there 
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Sander Rossel wrote: messed up and my house had to be broken down and built back up.
I often made the joke that builders always plan ahead better than coders, because they "can't" rollback their work when they find a serious problem.
Sounds like they actually did just that. Rollback to the previous house by hand
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Yeah, the piles were too short, meaning my house sunk in the sand.
They tried to somehow make the piles longer by drilling holes underneath the house, kind of like the quick and dirty bug fix, but that plan didn't work even though it was approved by nine(!) different parties.
Ultimately, they replaced the whole team, tore down the houses, and started from scratch with piles that were three times longer than the original ones.
All of the buyers were happy with the new houses because we lost faith in the original ones.
Everyone was reimbursed for damages (having to rent longer, having to delay your wedding because these people can't live together before they marry because somehow God has a problem with that so it was all exactly planned, etc.).
I don't think the building company made any profits on these houses
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Sander Rossel wrote: You might argue that I'm missing a font or some such, but this is PDF!
Someone else might have mentioned it, brain is sluggish this week and didn't read all the replies, but if you don't embed the font in the PDF when you save it will still rely on the client's font library for custom fonts. Or if you were viewing it in a browser, there might be some security settings causing issues when loading the font from a remote server (http/https conflicts).
Sander Rossel wrote: "Less meat □□re life"
Guessing "Less meat more life" but they could be golfers, "Less meat fore life". Or maybe they are geologists? "Less meat core life"... racing enthusiasts? "Tire life"
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Sander Rossel wrote: I don't even know what to make of □□re
"Bore"?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Sander Rossel wrote: How did this ever get through QA
Now there is a major assumption!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Trusting one receives lawyer's letter (6)
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and here I was thinking @code-witch had a [new] competitor.
Yet Another Codewitch Compiler Compiler ???
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but nope
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Trusting one LAMB
receives
lawyer's DA
letter
LAMBDA?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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Wouldn't lawyers' letters be JD ?
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For the US it would be DA, and that "culture" does tend to bleed across the world due to the volume of TV / movie output.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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