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Or: What is worse? To loose 90% of the toilet cleaners? To loose 90% of the bus drivers? To loose 90% of the CEOs of your country's medium to large companies? (as well as 60% of the Board of those companies) To loose 90% of the fruit pickers?
Once you start defining groups, telling that this group is more valuable that group, you should ask: What about other groups, maybe more focused? Is "young" by itself the right criterion? How about young criminals - are those the one you want to save? Young drug addicts? What if pot was like poison to corona, so that pot smokers survived? What if the genetic disposition for becoming a homosexual was linked to something making those persons immune to corona, would that be OK with you? If native Americans turn out to be immune - or turn out to be extra sensitive - does that make any difference to you? What is semites (such as Arabs) turn out to be immune - or turn out to be extra sensitive - does that make any difference?
Is age the only important criterion for selecting / applauding who shall survive, and the rest isn't so important?
It is a criterion very simple to point out, but is it the best? If you could decide (hypothetically, since you have no such power, and we know that this isn't reality), either that all aryans, young and old, survive, but the majority of semites (such as Arabs) are taken out by the virus, or that young aryans and semmits (such as Arabs) come through it, but elderly aryans and semites die?
Let me say that I know quite a few who would not trade their old grandma for a young Arab. Maybe you could call that racial prejudice, but even the United Nations' Declaration of Human Rights state (Article 16.3) "The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State" - this is very close to giving you explicit right to protect your family. (The declaration does not define "family" clearly - in some societies it could be a two-generation parent/child familiy, in others, it could be a multigenerational family.) I think that this is sufficient to justify that you give priority to your grandma.
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Member 7989122 wrote: It is a criterion very simple to point out, but is it the best?
Is the natural one.
In your examples, if one of your groups is genetically predisposed or inmune it is a natural selection. I don't mind to try to help them, as I don't mind to try to help the elders.
I have a problem if we focus in helping them to the point that other people are then in disadvantage, because all the resources are busy with the elder ones. And my father (78) agrees with me.
And what if you have to choose between your grandma and a friend of the school time? or a cousin? or your nephew? I know I would say "sorry grandma"
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I guess I did 
English is not my native language, so even though I consider myself "reasonably" fluent in English, when I am in a hurry, I make mistakes like that.
The good thing abot English is that it is used by so many people who master it poorly that you just nave to be reasonably tolerant. For e.g. Norwegian, there is far less traditional tolerance, and you may be frowned upon for minor details - details at the same level would go unnoticed in the English speaking world.
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OriginalGriff wrote: it kills 3.5% of all infected persons
I don't know how they managed to reach that percentage, but 5,846 deaths and 75,954 recovered[^] works out as 7.7%, for me.
Maybe I just don't understand Maths as well as people who studied medicine.OriginalGriff wrote: groups of young people are a damn fine way to spread this around
They're closing hardly any schools in NL, because they say that children aren't as much at risk of getting bad cases, and rarely even have visible symptoms.
What children are good at, however (particularly symptomless ones), is carrying diseases to their parents, aunties, uncles, grannies, grandpas, neighbours, and everyone else.
The logic that rattles around in some people's (presumably empty) heads eludes me, sometimes.
If you see a bunch of schoolchildren going home from school, go in the other direction.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: If you see a bunch of schoolchildren going home from school, go in the other direction.
Oh, trust me - I've been doing that for decades! 
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OriginalGriff wrote: Mark_Wallace wrote: If you see a bunch of schoolchildren going home from school, go in the other direction.
Oh, trust me - I've been doing that for decades!
Ain't restraining orders a bitch?
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The problem with these numbers is that they aren't testing everyone. So they don't actually know who's had it or not. What we are seeing is an educated guess.
Probably a better guess than most of us can come up with, but still a guess.
Here they tried to test everyone in the infectuous chain until it was clear it's spreading in society.
Now they only test the sick ones, to know how to keep the hospital personnel safer.
That's all about using the resources as good as possible.
There is only one (1) country that has the resources to test everyone that wants to get tested.
So take a look at the numbers of South Korea for (possibly) better statistics. South Korea Coronavirus: 8,162 Cases and 75 Deaths - Worldometer[^]
The other thing is that the first approximation from China that children doesn't spread the disease was probably quite wrong. Children isn't in the statistics because they never needed to go to hospital.
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Case of lies, damn lies and statistics I think! The way I read it the mortality rate is 7.7% of all those known to have been infected that have either died or recovered. There are a whole bunch of folk who are infected but haven't yet died or recovered, in this larger group the mortality rate is 3.5%. I expect there is an even larger group that includes all those infected but don't know it yet, probably this will take mortality to something less than 2%. Pick the stat you want depending on how much of a doom mongerer you want to be!
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OriginalGriff wrote: . Because it kills 3.5% of all infected persons,
That number keeps changing. And it's way lower among healthy and younger people so that number on it's own doesn't really mean much.
OriginalGriff wrote: and if everyone on the planet gets infected that's around 250,000,000 people who die as a result.
And if everyone on the planet gets infected with the regular seasonal flu 4-8 million people would die (which is hugely significant) but nobody cares (except for those directly affected.)
2 real problems that no one seems to be concerned with.
1. All this crazy hand-sanitizing is only going to INCREASE the odds of people getting it. Corona virus has been around forever and we won't eradicate this strain either. So, when people go back to normal there will be so many with weakened immune systems due to overdose of hand sanitizer that they will be more susceptible to it.
2. We are a shrinking world and this will happen again. Shutting down the world for a few months is hardly the answer.
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ZurdoDev wrote: 2. We are a shrinking world and this will happen again. Shutting down the world for a few months is hardly the answer.
And next time the virus could be even worse...
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Nelek wrote: And next time the virus could be even worse...
Exactly. And shutting the world down for even longer next time is not a solution.
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Next time the virus might shut down the world for even longer ...
Or maybe not "the world". Maybe just the industrial, white man's world.
Like viruses brought by white man to the third world, more or less shutting down native cultures permanently. What if the next virus has a similar effect but turned the other way around: Colored people, latinos, navtives go unaffected or experience it as a minor cold, but it hits white man like a bullet? What effect would that have on society?
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That's a lot of "mights." 
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ZurdoDev wrote: That's a lot of "mights."
Then don't look at his answer to me a bit above...  
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Rather choose the simple, sterotypical answers so that you don't have to consider complex issues such as "values".
Stereotypes are real time savers!
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You are taking it a bit too seriously right now.
This message was just a joke (I recognize I should have used the joke icon though).
Sorry if it has annoyed you.
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Please accept my apologies, I shouldn't have referred to you as a "self serving pillock" - that was rude of me, and I am sorry I did so.
I will remove it from my post, and will not refer to you as such again.
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Amarnath S wrote: Video is in Hindi
I understand Hindi so that's not an issue. 
Almost same happened here. After the announcement of shutdown, students came out for Khokha Rave (This is a special term used at my university for student gathering and dancing). Does that make any sense? 
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Yes, it is an unfortunate situation. But, I feel the precautions are necessary, to curtail spread of the virus, at least till a reasonable cure/remedy is invented.
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You remember me my niece, who wrote to the minster of education to cancel - or at least shorten - summer vacation... She almost got killed for that
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this whole corona thing is nothing to worry about, a flea on an elephant.
it's the consequences of what happens next that will have the largest impact.
RIP Dumbo.
... forget toilet paper, it's really not going to help with that!
pestilence [ pes-tl-uh ns ] noun
1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague.
2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil.
Synonyms: pest, plague, people
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This isn't about you, even if you do get it likely you'll recover quickly because your young and strong. But you'll come in contact with old farts like me that already have problems and would likely not survive.
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seems many of us are stuck at home, either following advisories or simple fear. even sports events are falling prey to cancellations what to do?
luckily on-line shopping still works. of course when the delivery guy comes:
1. hide behind the couch and yell at them to just leave the parcel on the stoop
2. 1 hour later open the door and hit the parcel with disinfectant spray then close the door
4. 30 minutes later, roll it over with a stick and disinfect the other/underside
5. later should be safe to bring it in (with gloves)
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... anyway my project
decided to have a go at replacing CFL lights with LEDs
so far replaced 1 pair for comparison, and it went really easy*:
- ripped out the old tubes, ballasts, re-wired light sockets direct to lines
- tested in incrementally longer periods - checking for smoke
very pleasing result, - I definitely know what next weekends project is: do the rest.
quick comparison of LED to CFL - non airy-fairy-theory:
- not just brighter, but actually whiter (yeah I know, depends on tube choice, but I always bought white)
- noticeably cooler to touch
- appreciation from wife.
* the job did get a bit bigger then anticipated
[I'm guessing the heat of the CFL's had made] many of the plastic parts super brittle ... fittings, wiring blocks, even some of the coating on the wiring
.... (yes I physically went to the hardware store to get new bits)
[No affiliation or kickbacks] The LED lights I got are made by Beacon in Canada (so no prescription required!),
quality looks good, units well made, and (sure same for all LEDs) feel way less delicate than CFL tubes. they are direct plug in replacements.
removing the ballasts is 'optional' but highly recommended
- yes you can just plug them in but they (and user comments) say performance may be affected (longer startup, some hum, even some blinking).
And for mine one less item in a chain is one less point of possible failure. ----------------------------
so anyway my advice:
take this opportunity to get off your ass and get some stuff done at home; you can only read/forward so many Kelowna (also in Canada) jokes, stories and news before that gets old.
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