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OriginalGriff13-Apr-20 4:42

OriginalGriff

13-Apr-20 4:42

Ouch. That's gotta hurt - they could be there for months!

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Kris Lantz13-Apr-20 4:48

Kris Lantz

13-Apr-20 4:48

Occasionally, I get the urge to pick up a telescope again, and taking a look at your photos really drives that desire today. Smile | :)

Slacker00713-Apr-20 4:58

Slacker007

13-Apr-20 4:58

DaveAuld wrote:
Need approval to leave the house here.

if you need to get groceries, etc. how does that work where you are at in Cyprus?

DaveAuld13-Apr-20 5:34

DaveAuld

13-Apr-20 5:34

You send an SMS with your reason code, I'd number, post code to government and they reply with an approval or rejection.

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Nelek13-Apr-20 7:42

13-Apr-20 7:42

Uff, That has to hurt.
Good that you have a nice house and plenty of things to set up to keep you busy.

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markrlondon13-Apr-20 13:35

markrlondon

13-Apr-20 13:35

Holy good grief.

(And well done on the galaxies).

Garth J Lancaster13-Apr-20 15:54

Garth J Lancaster

13-Apr-20 15:54

Quote:
how's everyone doing? I am desperate to go back to work,

Was retrenched end of Feb as the company 'took another direction' (ie, outsourced 1/3 of its labour to India), worked a contract at a promising Co in March, had one of their clients in the USA been more stable and 'conditions' etc been better, I wouldn't have been 'business hibernated' .. so Im trying to work with a mate on a book (hard to get started), refreshing C#, refreshing Azure DevOps etc

glad to hear things are 'ok' with you - what is involved in an 'auto-guider' for a camera ? do you point it at 'a star/fixed point in the cosmos' and then rotate the camera (mount) with the Earth or ?)

DaveAuld13-Apr-20 20:59

DaveAuld

13-Apr-20 20:59

Garth J Lancaster wrote:
what is involved in an 'auto-guider' for a camera

There a few ways of doing it, but in essence a camera takes a view of the stars and sends it back to a laptop or processes it locally, auto guiding software then monitors the movement of the star and nudges the telescope or main camera mount in the appropriate direction, to keep the selected star in the same position in the field of view.

One of the most common pieces of software in use is free - PHD2 Guiding

Here is an example of a standalone camera with dedicated guide scope that you attach to the main scope: Orion Camera Magnificent Mini AutoGuider Set Other methods involve putting a splitter prism in the primary optical train and taking a camera feed from there etc.

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DEVOLO Magic question

Joan M13-Apr-20 2:34

Joan M

13-Apr-20 2:34

A good friend of mine has a very big house with thick walls in the middle of the forest...

He has a router in the house office, which provides wifi to the rooms, but leaves the dinning room and the kitchen without wifi as it doesn't reach those buildings.

He asked me for a good and cheap solution to give him wifi in those rooms where the wifi signal doesn't arrive.

Clearly, given the house is big, a WIFI MESH system would be the way to go, as in a future he could expand the solution.

I've seen an introductory kit from DEVOLO in Amazon... that KIT includes:

1x MAGIC PLC -> Magic 1 LAN: Home Networking via magic Powerline | devolo AG[^]
1x MAGIC WIFI -> Magic 1 WiFi mini – for smart Mesh-WLAN | devolo AG[^]

I have a doubt though...

Will the MAGIC WIFI device create a copy of the router wifi? or will it create a new wifi?

I understand any new MAGIC WIFI device added would be part of the MESH wifi and therefore the cell phones at his house would not need to change wifi network manually...

And after all this... he is searching of a cheap solution to have the same wifi network at rooms and at the kitchen and dinning room... what would you recommend him?
He eants to be able to connect the TV to the network too. (The MAGIC WIFI I proposed should be placed just at TV back.)

Thank you all!

Nelek13-Apr-20 2:43

13-Apr-20 2:43

I have devolo myself since mid 2016 and set it up on my relatives house too (end 2017 or beginning 2018).

I have a 1+1 satellite and my father-in-law has a 1+2 satellites.

Every satellite gives a new WiFi with its own password, then transfers it to the main unit through electricity wiring and the main unit translates it to LAN.

I must say , that in my case, it is more reliable than the direct WiFi of the FritzBox and I am very satisfied with my devolo.

EDIT:
My main unit is connected to router and offers you a switch. I have connected the cable of my PC to the main unit and with a shorter cable from the main unit to the PC. I don't notice any significant loss. I download with max speed of my contract (checked with laptop connected directly and download tests), stream, online playing... nothing.
Satellite has a LAN port too. I use the Wifi for mobile devices and the LAN port for the laptop connected to the TV.

EDIT2:
Only "bad" thing is (I don't exactly know why but it doesn't bother me that much, so I didn't dig it deeper), that they get second priority while connecting. I mean, if you get in reach of two different WiFi at the same time with more or less same signal strength, the other one gets selected.
I have got rid of it placing the devolo a bit nearer to the door, so it gets to my mobile phone first when I come home. Problem solved.
Sometimes if I come back walking from the other side, then the Router gets first there, I somewhen realize that WiFi doesn't work, manual switch problem solved.

EDIT3:
Installation is pretty easy. Just pair them correctly (press the buttons in the described order) and move them to the spot where you want to put them (I have had to re-teach them 2 times in 4 years, both after missing power supply for a relative long time).
My devices won't let you change configuration, I have added policies in router side to avoid surprises. Costs were around 60€ back then.

M.D.V.

modified 13-Apr-20 9:04am.

OriginalGriff13-Apr-20 2:48

OriginalGriff

13-Apr-20 2:48

Simplest I've seen is a WiFi extender that connects via main supply: seems to work pretty well, if you avoid the cheapo Chinese ones. I've seen a BT "Powerline Adapter" work pretty well locally (about 1Gb/s locally) in places you just can't reach through the 2 foot of solid granite that is a wall round here.

Pretty cheap solution, and very quick to install as well since no extra cables.

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W∴ Balboos, GHB13-Apr-20 3:21

W∴ Balboos, GHB

13-Apr-20 3:21

I'm glad you posted the obvious solution (a lot of cheap routers can be configure as repeaters - we're talking about "good enough" for something like US$ 20-30.

But that 2-foot granite walls comment. It never occurred to me that you actually were a caveman living in a community of such. So much of Europe I've not yet seen.

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Nelek13-Apr-20 3:23

13-Apr-20 3:23

The advantage of the devolo system is, once configured correctly, you can move them with you if /as you want. And it doesn't get affected by the thickness of the walls, because they communicate through the power wiring.

No router does this. I think the price is not that expensive considering the usability.

EDIT:
Use case: we have successfully used it in a garden party, by connecting it to a 25m extender plugged in the terrace. Worked perfectly. Distance losses are much smaller for the satellit than any other systems.

M.D.V.

modified 13-Apr-20 9:34am.

RossMW13-Apr-20 9:50

RossMW

13-Apr-20 9:50

I agree. I have three power line carriers in our house and they work exceptionally well. The main use for me, however, to to extend the network to devices that don't have wifi as you can just use a network cable at the other end.

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Mark_Wallace13-Apr-20 3:28

Mark_Wallace

13-Apr-20 3:28

Hss he got an old router? Most people have.

It can be used as an extender, either connected by Ethernet or WiFi.

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Nelek13-Apr-20 3:31

13-Apr-20 3:31

For more or less static extensions, yes.

See my answer to WBalboos above, devolo is way more flexible and comfortable for non-static solutions.

OP (or better said OP's friend) has to check the relation price - functionality - usability and see if it is worth for him or not.

no needing long ETH cables and being that flexible is for me worth the price delta.

M.D.V.

Mark_Wallace13-Apr-20 3:47

Mark_Wallace

13-Apr-20 3:47

Nelek wrote:
no needing long ETH cables and being that flexible is for me worth the price delta.

For me, it's more about being able to get it up and running half an hour, and not have to spend ages reading and trying to compare specs printed in tiny letters on boxes in stores.

Router: Check. Cables: Check. Put the coffee on; I'll be finished by the time it's ready.

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Nelek13-Apr-20 7:32

13-Apr-20 7:32

Mark_Wallace wrote:
Router: Check. Cables: Check. Put the coffee on; I'll be finished by the time it's ready.

You, possibly me too...
My devolo was 5 to 10 minutes reading and 3 to 5 minutes execution (plug both new devices, click in satellite, click in main unit, wait to sync, move satellite to other room, test). Done.
With the one with 2 satellites I needed a bit more because I didn't paid attention at the beginning and had to repeat it 2 times (finding out the hard way, that each satellite brings its own wifi and own password). After a D'Oh! | :doh:

while, and taking the required notes properly, it was running after 10 minutes.

M.D.V.

Jörgen Andersson13-Apr-20 4:39

Jörgen Andersson

13-Apr-20 4:39

Joan M wrote:
good and cheap

Good luck with that, it's much easier to find expensive crap.

Anyway, the little experience I have with Powerline networking is not very good to be honest. It's sensitive to disturbing equipment, and if the house has a modern electric net, where every appliance has its own circuit breaker instead of a few old fashioned fuses the function might get severely limited. (A circuit breaker has an electric coil)

Anyway, I have experience with so called mesh networks, which is a fancy name for using repeaters. It works fine as long as you keep your expectancy at a reasonable level. In the same way that every user share the bandwidth, the repeater uses twice the bandwidth as the connected users.

I also have no experience from Devolo so I can't say how they cope with it.
But I have personal experience with Ubiquiti[^], and I can recommend them. They have better range and speed than any access point I have tried.

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Garth J Lancaster13-Apr-20 15:58

Garth J Lancaster

13-Apr-20 15:58

I'll second Ubiquiti - cheap, well, not so much ... I had to design/implement a Ubiquiti network on a 'property' here in Aus that has high-end cabin/cottage accomodation, spread out, and couldnt lay cables etc

Re: Pending: Cosmic Blow Job

fd975013-Apr-20 6:26

fd9750

13-Apr-20 6:26

Just make sure that:

a) If possible, make sure your powerline network extenders are on the same breaker circuit, that will give the best results.
b) If you have a three phase electrical connection ( as I have ) make absolutely sure that your powerline network extenders are on the same phase, otherwise the extenders will never see each other, let alone communicate.

Pending: Cosmic Blow Job

W∴ Balboos, GHB13-Apr-20 2:24

W∴ Balboos, GHB

13-Apr-20 2:24

Winds today promised at sustained speeds reaching 45-50 mph and gusts to 70 mph. Tree, power lines, and electricity will most likely suffer pretty much in that order and in rapid succession.

The mess is expected to last, although not at full intensity, for about 12 hours.[^]

I'm up on the early side - been observing the small tree just outside my window starting to shake more and more - not much yet.

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Nelek13-Apr-20 2:28

Re: Pending: Cosmic Blow Job

13-Apr-20 2:28

After reading the subject I was expecting another thing Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

M.D.V.

W∴ Balboos, GHB13-Apr-20 2:29

W∴ Balboos, GHB

13-Apr-20 2:29

Remember to put your "KSS" and "Lounge" filters in place

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Re: Pending: Cosmic Blow Job

Nelek13-Apr-20 2:32