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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: It's the protesters who are insane.
Says a guy who hasn't missed a paycheck... 
But if you have and your mortgage is due and you are worried that your family will possibly lose their home before the powers that be decide to let you go back to work- hey - maybe you should have made better life choices...
But if your job isn't going to be there whenever the powers that be decide to let you go back to work - hey - that's just too bad - maybe you could learn to code...
But if the small business that you have been trying to build folds before the powers that be decide to let you reopen - hey - that's kind of sad - maybe you could learn to code...
Or - if you are in New York - New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday that protesters calling for the state to reopen the economy so they can go back to work could “get a job as an essential worker.” - well that's an easy solution! Maybe you could learn to code and write yourself an app that makes you an essential worker"
You have been inconvenienced by this. Many of those protesters may never recover from it. They were told that this would flatten the curve and prevent an overload on the medical system. That has pretty much happened. Now the goal posts are being moved to "We don't want a single person to die from this."
I can see why they might be a little upset...
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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You are pissed at the wrong people.
Your mortgage? Why is it your bank can't just pause your payments and append them to the end of the mortgage? I see no reason they can't do that considering they have been making $Billions per QUARTER in pure profit for a decade. Where'd that money go?
The same with utilities, just not as much profit.
Where'd the small business loan money go? Not to the small businesses. Look at the banks, lack of regulation of that money, and to the corporate lawyers and accountants.
... and I don't agree with Cuomo.
Quote: They were told that this would flatten the curve and prevent an overload on the medical system. That has pretty much happened.
That has NOT pretty much happened. We're only now seeing the trend START to flatten. The hospitals are still very much buried in victims and bodies with no place to put them.
The goal posts haven't been moved. It's the incorrect interpretation of the data by a vocal minority that's driving opinion and protest.
... and don't tell me I'm not affected by this. Yes, I still have a job and a paycheck, but I very much remember the panic and fear when I didn't and didn't have the savings to make it to next week. It's tough.
If you, or they, want to risk your life for the paycheck, go right ahead. I work in Detroit, which is the epicenter of this state. Trust me when I say, paycheck or no, I don't, and wouldn't, go out there unless I absolutely have to.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: My extended social circle has four people dead from the virus with another five infected.
 I'm so sorry about that.
In typical Aussie style, one of our comedians, Chris Franklin has done his own version of Stay The Heck At Home. Just swap heck for elephant and you're good.
Non KSS link: Chris Franklin - YouTube
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: It's the protesters who are insane.
Someone who disagrees with you is insane? OK. 
Dave Kreskowiak wrote: My extended social circle has four people dead from the virus with another five infected.
I imagine that has a ton to do with your point of view.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Someone who disagrees with you is insane? OK.
No. People who put others at risk through their own selfishness are insane.
ZurdoDev wrote: I imagine that has a ton to do with your point of view.
This and I work a mile and half from the Detroit Medical Center. The pictures of bodies piled up in unused patient rooms and refrigerated trailers because the morgues are overrun is really what hammers the situation home.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: People who put others at risk through their own selfishness are insane.
Ya, I drive a car. I support legalizing alcholol, tobacco, McDonald's, Monsanto, etc. I walk around in public potentially carrying any disease and have done so my whole life. I apologize for my selfish insanity.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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This little virus is 3 times more infectious than the flu. You are 100 times more likely to die from it than the flu.
Your comparison is grossly, and negligently, naive.
Yes, you are insane for nonchalantly spreading it.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Your comparison is grossly, and negligently, naive.
From google, Quote: Nearly 1.25 million people are killed in car accidents each year.
Why not get on board with a more serious crisis?
Your responses indicate that you are an emotionally driven person rather than logic driven. Not necessarily bad, but you need to realize that people that might disagree with you are OK. But since emotion drives you, it appears you cannot grasp that concept. All well.
By the way, please don't murder anyone by driving your car to the store. Please show you care and are not insane and start walking. But with a mask of course.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
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Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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No, I'm statistically driven.
Cars are not contagious. You choose to drive one or not. You do not "catch one" from one driving by you.
You do not choose to get this virus or not. You choose to do what it takes to minimize your exposure, and other peoples exposure, to it.
I haven't killed anyone in a car in 37 years of driving them.
But with this virus, if I was infected, I could kill 5 people, just by walking past them.
Again, your willful, il-informed nativity is disgusting.
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Isn't this conversation at a stage where someone should have mentioned Hitler? Statistically, I mean.
Oops, I guess I just did.
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The UK government's chief medical officer has said that social restrictions are going to need to last at least for the rest of the year.
One thing that has become more obvious is that scientists are constantly disagreeing with each other, which I think is fine as that is how science works - but the media are not very good at handling this ambiguity that is present in differing scientific advice.
The media want to present a clear consensus on what scientists are saying, the problem is that there are a lot of different views, some of them differing slightly and some of them widely differing amongst scientists with regard to sars-cov-2.
I am content, though not overly joyous, with working from home for the moment (week 7 in my case).
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
modified 23-Apr-20 7:25am.
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GuyThiebaut wrote: The media want to present a clear consensus on what scientists are saying,
Nope... the media just yell out what can make them get more viewers, listeners, subscribers in that particular moment.
If the media would really care that much about truth, they would handle it very differently... and not only now with the Corona Virus
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If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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GuyThiebaut wrote: The UK government's chief medical officer has said that social restrictions are going to need to last at least for the rest of the year.
Interesting. I hadn't heard that. But does that mean things like restaurants, for example, won't be able to open to dine-in service for the rest of the year?
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Stay-at-home in France is (officially) till 11th May.
No strict stay-at-home requirement in Germany, but my company demanded it and for now it is not planned to go back in the offices in April.
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Rage wrote: but my company demanded it
Interesting. One company I know has refused to let their employees work from home this whole time. 
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I'm in Georgia, USA too. (read your response in the thread before I commented)
Just because the Governor has said businesses can open doesn't require me to frequent them. The types of businesses too are a little nutty. Hair dressers, tattoo parlors and bowling alleys were some of the ones he named. Monday, restaurants, with precautions can open.
But he didn't, as far as I know, lift the stay at home order.
I've been mainly working from home almost a year now. Saves me 3+ hours a day in commute time per day. I would only go to the office for sprint planning and that only because my mind wanders after a while when meeting remotely.
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The company I work with absolutely refuses to do the work-from-home routine, even with a large percentage of the staff being supplied the resources to. Things have been business as usual for the most part.
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Kris Lantz wrote: absolutely refuses to do the work-from-home routine,
I just don't understand that line of thinking.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
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Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I am up here in New York. Our work lock-down has been extended to May 15th. But things are starting to re-open but very slowly. I was surprised to see our county parks open already.
Our governor is under tremendous pressure to start re-opening the state but he is holding tough. which I believe is a good thing since our metro area has been hit so hard.
Problem is, the current lock-down situation, no matter where you are, is not sustainable economically and we have begun having protests around the country as a result.
Some are saying these protests are being supported by right-winged groups but who really knows. It could just be that it is a reflection that the populace has inched closer to a breaking point...
Steve Naidamast
Sr. Software Engineer
Black Falcon Software, Inc.
blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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Personally, I hoping to never go back to the office. I've got better technology and faster internet access from home than I do in the office, and even before this started almost all of my work related interactions were via Skype and Teams anyway; there are only 2 others on my team in the local office, and their jobs are entirely different than mine.
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Your impression about US lockdown vs. going back to work is both correct and incorrect.
A number of states are opening things up - these states either barely or never really locked down to begin with. Mindless cretins saying that they'd rather die than be "oppressed" into some sort of social responsibility.
Others, like NY, have within the last couple of weeks, had their governor mandate face coverings (masks, etc.) if you are going to be out of your home in any situation where social distancing would be compromised - and you cannot enter any store (or work in one) without said covering.
NY's case rate and mortalities have been going down - roughly half the mortalities/day they were at the peak. Occasionally, groups of nitwits, for various reasons didn't think it included them. Uniformly, they're paying the price for that. NJ is also now experiencing a downturn.
As for places Georgia, N/S Dakota, Nebraska, and Iowa - I guess as long as Tyson can make some money, the locals are basically expendable. Well - the mayors of the affected towns don't think so, but their governors do.
Thus - as there are 50 essentially independent states in such matters - you can say nearly anything and find an example of it.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: and you cannot enter any store (or work in one) with said covering.
I suppose you wanted to say "without said covering", didn't you?
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Pick one:
[ ] How dare you pay attention to what you're reading ?
[x] Thanks - I fixed it.
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Got an email from CEO that we're allowed to go back in May 4th if we like, but masks mandatory, temperature checks at the door, that sort of thing.
Of course, I can remote to my desktop* from anywhere, so I'm not going back in.
*DT crashed this AM. Reconnected, and afterward VS thought almost everything I'd ever checked out was an add to the repository. Solutions I haven't been in for months. Strange.
Fortunately, I was only working in a couple places in the code, so it wasn't too bad to undo the other projects, get latest, and be back to square one. Spent a few hours getting it straight, pretty sure I'm o.k. now.
Can't explain what I might've done to make TFS think everything's an add, or what a crash might've done. Puzzled, but past it.
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