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gstolarov wrote:
I've been doing it for over 30 years and all along there was "4G" languages promising to do just that no/low code apps - UserBase, DBase, Fox, Clipper, Paradox, Access, ... Somehow none of them is still around and regular LOB applications are still written in C#/Java/... (was C and COBOL when I started).

I understand that FoxPro, despite being killed off by Microsoft, still has an active user community. And Access, of course, is highly successful and used widely.

Also there is Clarion, a 4GL that had its heyday in my opinion in the early 1990s but is still around. I see DOS apps written in Clarion still in daily use.

And so 4GLs were and still are successful and do still see use of LOB applications.

However, what really halted the 4GL wouldbe revolution in the 1990s was: Visual Basic.

It was Visual Basic that caught on to a large part of what made 4GLs so successful at the time: (a) The easy of drawing a UI, and (b) relatively easy coding language, and (c) easy database integration (although VB's database integration was never as good as say, dBase, Fox, or even Access).

As Microsoft's own languages and languages from other companies developed, these key features were replicated and improved again and again. E.g. C#, Java, Delphi.

Delphi is also still around and still heavily used but VB and C# halted its own potential rise to the heights of LOB dominance that might otherwise have been the case. And even C# and Java have limited VB(.NET)'s growth, although as far as I can tell it is still more heavily used in corporate LOB apps than Microsoft credit it to be.

gstolarov wrote:
he only noticeable change is that report generation is mostly gone to the drag&drop reporting apps (SSRS, Cognos, Crystal)...

Well here we go. In truth a lot of what 4GLs were used for was, in effect, report generation. So really these reporting apps are the 4GLs of their time, focussing on a very specific job.
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