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Nelek wrote: They will learn it the hard way
Are you suggesting your data on your server is more secure than on a server where there are teams of people working on securing it?
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Not necessarily.
But they are higher in the target lists than small servers and although there are teams of people working on securing it, they are not that invulnerable, because many of the bugs and security holes are not always in their hands.
A successfully exploited bug at their side brings a lot of more people / business in troubles than a successfully exploited bug in a small local server.
It is a statistic point of view.
Besides... not the first time that the arrogance of "we are the best" brings them more problems than a modest "I try my best"
i.E.
unhackable biometric lock for smart phones
unhackable wireless update system for cars
unhackable...
Everytime someone says something similar is a provocation for a lot of people to say "Ha, screw you"
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Yes, that is all true. But I have never met a developer who was an expert on security so if you are small business it's worth trusting the cloud, in my opinion.
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ZurdoDev wrote: it's worth trusting the cloud, in my opinion.
Exactly.
In my opinion there are a lot of more factors that doesn't necessarilly have to do with the IT-security / Hacking problem.
Trying to keep it safe for the insider news (without politics) but not the first time that a company pulls a switch and then "Upps" a complete country can't access the cloud anymore and recover their data from their legally bought space.
Or that an automated process in their side decides that you are breaking the user agreements and bans you from the system without supervision by a human (or with the supervision of someone who doesn't bother to double check the facts) and then you are out and can't access you legally bought software / games / whatever you have had bound to that account.
And as I suppose you are going to say "prove it", then you might search for Adobe cutting services to a south american country (it was solved soon afterwards, but still an example) (and was spoken about it here in the insider news and/or in the lounge) or a lot of users worldwide who have lost their MS accounts and lost (in some cases) hundreds of € or $ in games from their XBox and other similar things. AFAIK there have already been reported some dozens only here in Germany. You can search for "Vorsicht Kunde" (Watch out, customer) from C'T Magazine (A tech oriented publication here that helps users in troubles against big companies)
TL;DR; it is not only about the security, it is about the privacy, ownership, accessibility and other aspects too.
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Nelek wrote: it is about the privacy, ownership, accessibility and other aspects too.
Ya, I understand that.
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As nelek said, it's not only an issue of security, but of ownership.
It is irrelevant whether the data are my holiday snapshots or my company's proprietary IP. If they are resident on a remote server, their distribution is no longer under my control. I find that unacceptable, which is why I will never store anything important to me in the "cloud".
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: their distribution is no longer under my control. I find that unacceptable, which is why I will never store anything important to me in the "cloud".
Which is fine. I have no problem with that.
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I just want to add one more thing to this. I was warning of the foolishness of the cloud more then 10 years ago when it was first being marketed as the digital savior of mankind and at the time it was viewed as tin foil hat craziness. As humans we often choose to disbelieve something like this is possible because we base our perception of how the world is from our own personal experiences and so if we haven't experienced it then its not possible when its something extreme. I wish I could say to those naysayers from 10 years ago "Told you so" but I'd rather have been wrong about this then right.
The best policy one can have is to assume nothing is ever as advertised. Its OK to prepare for the worst but hope for the best . In the case of the cloud most businesses have prepared for the best and refused to believe of anything else was even possible.
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YSLGuru wrote: Its OK to prepare for the worst but hope for the best . In the case of the cloud most businesses have prepared for the best and refused to believe of anything else was even possible.
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Kent Sharkey wrote: What's the worst that will happen?
Someone else can spend their days making sure my data is secure instead of me hoping no one ever finds it.
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Best make sure you don't do or say anything offensive either because even a contract with a major cloud host like Amazon won't keep you from being screwed, just ask Parler. Regardless of whether you agree with their platforms take on free speech they had a contract with Amazon that Amazon broke and justified under the guise of fighting <pick your="" favorite="" anti-free="" speech="" meme="">.
The recent purges on social media culminating in Parler being kicked off of the Amazon cloud despite its contractual agreement is all the proof anyone needs as to why its a bad, dumb even, idea to rely solely on the cloud. This situation with Proves that the free market doesn't protect consumers. If you want to ensure that your business is not susceptible to someone else whims or political ideology then you best not rely solely on the cloud.
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The former Google CEO also seems to think antitrust only kicks in at 100 percent market share "This one goes to 11"
Says the guy that lead the charge with Orkut, Blogger, Google+, Buzz, Wave, and probably a few more failed attempts I couldn't think of (or that they cancelled before I noticed)
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Quote: Eric Schmidt, who bought YouTube for a premium, thinks social networks are ‘amplifiers for idiots’
Kent Sharkey wrote: Says the guy that lead the charge with Orkut, Blogger, Google+, Buzz, Wave, and probably a few more failed attempts I couldn't think of (or that they cancelled before I noticed)
Should I then worry if I agree with his statement? 
 
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No - I think even he can be right once and a while (and certainly in this case)
TTFN - Kent
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Never heard of Orkut, Blogger, Buzz or Wave.
Call it social distancing.
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When at Sun Microsystems, he also banned the use of PowerPoint during meetings. So he's not all bad.
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Greg Utas wrote: When at Sun Microsystems, he also banned the use of PowerPoint during meetings. So he's not all bad.
... because it was made by MS, and he wanted to enforce dogfooding of their product OpenOffice Impresss?
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Perhaps, but I hoped his reasons were sensible, to recoup the time wasted on polishing PowerPoint decks. I've seen it, and it ain't pretty.
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Quote: amplifiers for idiots
Kent Sharkey wrote: Says the guy that lead the charge with Orkut, Blogger, Google+, Buzz, Wave,
Just trying to make money off of idiots.
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AppSheet is Google Cloud’s no-code development platform, designed to let anyone create a powerful app without having to write a single line of code. Create totally AppSheety apps
That will work just like the customer expected, without having do make any changes, ever!
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Kind of mandatory: The 'no-code' dream… | CommitStrip[^]
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Low-code/No code can run businesses. Developers should take them more serious.
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NASA shared astonishing images of its OSIRIS-REx spacecraft touching an asteroid yesterday, revealing how the vehicle stirred up rocks and debris on the object’s surface when it made contact. It didn't break into smaller asteroids? (Good thing the UFO wasn't around)
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NASA wants you to get excited about the moon — or more specifically, about a mysterious new science result the agency plans to unveil on Monday (Oct. 26). Apparently when it hits your eye like a big pizza pie, it's amore.
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Soo.. a funding trip from Nasa, or real news? Given the amount of time, I'm betting the first.
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