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megaadam9-Nov-20 5:13

megaadam

9-Nov-20 5:13

Actually, if you disagree, you are also 100% sure to not die from covid.

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Gerry Schmitz9-Nov-20 2:00

Gerry Schmitz

9-Nov-20 2:00

Since this vaccine has to be kept at or below -80C, I guess that makes it an apex predator.

It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

Maximilien9-Nov-20 2:10

Maximilien

9-Nov-20 2:10

Good step in the right direction.

Yikes... minus 80... this gonna put a chill in your arm when they inject that into you.

"[...] Pfizer believes it will be able to supply 50 million doses by the end of this year, and around 1.3 billion by the end of 2021.
However there are logistical challenges, as the vaccine has to be kept in ultra-cold storage at below minus 80C. [...]"

Start put money into dry ice companies...

I'd rather be phishing!

OriginalGriff9-Nov-20 2:22

9-Nov-20 2:22

Liquid Nitrogen! Laugh | :laugh:

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Maximilien9-Nov-20 3:22

Maximilien

9-Nov-20 3:22

Hey!! Hey!!

Big Grin | :-D

Do you think they use CListCtrl in their app to collate all the results ?

I'd rather be phishing!

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter9-Nov-20 3:37

Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

9-Nov-20 3:37

Maximilien wrote:
use CListCtrl in their app

There is any other way to do that?

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Rage9-Nov-20 4:51

Rage

9-Nov-20 4:51

Maximilien wrote:
CListCtrl

What a blast in the past ! Badger | [badger,badger,badger,badger...]

W∴ Balboos, GHB9-Nov-20 4:17

W∴ Balboos, GHB

9-Nov-20 4:17

Just to make it a bit less intense in your mind:

LN2 = -196 C
Dry Ice: -78 C - I'd say this is what they really intend.

Both are readily available, the LN2 is something we used in our labs (in huge cryogenic storage cylinders) constantly - both as boil-off (super dry N2) and the liquid (mainly traps for Ultra High Vacuum equipment) and it's no big deal, sort of, but then, again, we were a lab.

For those of you who remember, ice cream trucks kept their goodies frozen as they drove around with chunks of dry ice (those little trucks were insulated - not refrigerated).

That being said - I'd propose that the set of locations that can maintain the dry-ice cooled environment (and required deliveries several times/week) are smaller than those who just have plain refrigerators/freezers for drug storage. Clearly, some logistical changes will be made.

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Chris Maunder9-Nov-20 13:18

Chris Maunder

9-Nov-20 13:18

So - not a problem for Canada then.

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Marc Clifton9-Nov-20 4:16

Marc Clifton

9-Nov-20 4:16

Personally, RNA vaccines sound rather scary. Yes, I realize I'm making that statement based on a layman's understanding of genetics and biology and don't want to start a SB discussion, just being honest about how I feel about it.

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Mike Hankey9-Nov-20 4:33

Mike Hankey

9-Nov-20 4:33

Nah the RNA vaccines are harmless, except for the nervous twitch in my leg, loose bowels and an addiction to cheese whiz I'm fine.

I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27.

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OriginalGriff9-Nov-20 4:38

9-Nov-20 4:38

Mike Hankey wrote:
the nervous twitch in my leg, loose bowels and an addiction to cheese whiz

Those are normal for C++ developers. Big Grin | :-D

Gerry Schmitz9-Nov-20 6:32

Gerry Schmitz

9-Nov-20 6:32

"We don't have time for long-term effects".

The Canadian government threw money at anybody that used the words "working on a vaccine"; including the Chinese.

We even have "firm" orders for millions of doses of vaccine from these outfits ... once they discover it.

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Rage9-Nov-20 4:54

Rage

9-Nov-20 4:54

With my level of luck, I'd be in those 10% for whom it is not gonna work. Sigh | :sigh:

On a side note, 90% is fore sure better than nothing, but still a terrible result...

OriginalGriff9-Nov-20 5:18

9-Nov-20 5:18

Given the short development timeframe, 90% is pretty amazing, and could be enough to stop global lockdowns. If the R number dropped to even close to 0.1 due to the majority of people being vaccinated it'd start to die.

And hopefully, take the anti-vax idiots with it ... Sigh | :sigh:

fd97509-Nov-20 6:11

fd9750

9-Nov-20 6:11

Agreed, taking the anti-vax idiots out of the equation would be a bonus. Poetic justice and a very normal process of natural selection. Survival of the fittest and/or the most savvy is just the natural way of things.
By having a brain we got a long way, if you want to revert back to the middle ages: have it your own way, we won't regret your passing.

Maximilien9-Nov-20 5:22

Maximilien

9-Nov-20 5:22

On the contrary, I think 90% is quite high for a vaccine.

Compared to 40%-ish for the Influenza vaccine

CDC Seasonal Flu Vaccine Effectiveness Studies | CDC

I'd rather be phishing!

dandy729-Nov-20 6:07

9-Nov-20 6:07

Not to turn this into a political discussion, but I did tell some people I was fully expecting a pharmaceutical company to announce significant progress shortly after you-know-who got booted out of office.

I just didn't expect one such qualifying announcement to be made less than a week after the US elections.

OriginalGriff9-Nov-20 6:12

9-Nov-20 6:12

I'd say it's probably just coincidence - they are all working flat out to be the first to release, as that's where the big money is to start with. The really big money is in the long term maintenance doses of course, but the "market leader" will get a big share of that!

dandy729-Nov-20 6:37

9-Nov-20 6:37

OriginalGriff wrote:
I'd say it's probably just coincidence

After months and month, it's just a coincidence? That's what they want you to believe. Big Grin | :-D

And let me correct myself: It's not a mere "few days after the election", it's the very first business day after the results have been confirmed. Watch the double-whammy rally on the stock market.

Of course I'm only semi-serious. All I can do is stand back and laugh at the whole situation.

OriginalGriff9-Nov-20 6:42

9-Nov-20 6:42

Yes, but today is Monday, and they probably can't easily release over a weekend.

It's like your boss working out that 40% of the office sick days are Monday and Friday, and assuming that you are all padding it for long weekends! Laugh | :laugh:

dandy729-Nov-20 6:52

9-Nov-20 6:52

So...you're not disagreeing that they had been sitting on the announcement since the results of the elections were made official on Saturday? Smile | :)

Gerry Schmitz9-Nov-20 7:47

Gerry Schmitz

9-Nov-20 7:47

90%. Is that 9 out 10? 90 out of 100?

90% is about the same as the "non-fatality" rate.

Yawn.

It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

dandy7210-Nov-20 4:30

10-Nov-20 4:30

Gerry Schmitz wrote:
90%. Is that 9 out 10? 90 out of 100?

Ummm...those are all the same...?

A vaccine that's 90% effective is a lot better than some vaccines that are in use today. I believe the influenza vaccine that's offered every year is typically rated at something around 40% effective. And yet they insist everybody gets it.