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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Debugging is there to debug the developer.
+5!
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote: Too bad techniques aren't really taught in schools.
Formal schooling only amounts to about 5% of the skills needed to be a good developer.
I think more isn't taught simply because there isn't time in a four year degree to get to it all.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Oh I know that. Simple debugging needs to be introduced at least in the beginner classes.
It makes learning this garbage easier. How many questions do we see in QA that can be solved with a couple of simple Console statements or a breakpoint and hovering a mouse?
I'm not saying rip out entire swaths of the curriculum to drop this in. It would be enough to teach the simple techniques along-side the introductory class stuff. If you get the basics of a few simple techniques down, you may end up saving some time down the road and maybe even get a higher pass rate.
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BTW, I'm a strong believer in your assertion that asking the right questions is a necessary skill.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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A software firm is taking a radical approach to how it treats employees. 10Pines tries to be transparent and democratic, even allowing staff to set each other's salaries. "May the odds be ever in your favor."
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"From each according to his ability; to each according to his needs" never worked out in the past; what makes them think that it'll work now?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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True, but I don't think it would work out that way, because it's easy for people to leave. But exactly how it would work out, I don't know. However, I doubt there would be puffed up C-levels getting paid ten times as much as developers.
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I applied to such a company once.
Had a nice talk with a manager, who wasn't a manager, of course, he just did all the stuff a manager would do, but he wasn't one, because they didn't have managers.
And with an employee, who wasn't an employee, because they were all equal, so basically I think I should say I talked to two formless substances.
Your team, except they didn't have teams because you could work on whatever you liked, decided over your salary and you over theirs.
Also, unlimited vacation days, although it wasn't really vacation because you didn't have work to begin with.
Nice people, but it sounded more like a mental warfare, playing into people's fears and insecurities.
I thanked them for their time and applied with a more "traditional" company instead.
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Wow. A structure that rewards those who can bully and BS rather than rewarding those who quietly, efficiently, without fuss, put their heart and soul into a company.
Your salary as a popularity contest. Sounds like a great way to run a company into the ground.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: A structure that rewards those who can bully and BS rather than rewarding those who quietly, efficiently, without fuss, put their heart and soul into a company.
In Germany there is a story...
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A farmer had 3 chicken, and every afternoon there were only two eggs in the yardhouse. So he decided to spy the chickens to know which one was not putting an eye.
Everyday two of them were getting out the yardhouse clucking out loud and the third one was getting out fast, silently and with ducked head...
So he though... here you are, you lazy chicken...
And he got it and did a really tasty soup with it.
The next day, there were no eggs at all.
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The moral... it doesn't matter if you are the best and most productive part of a team, if you can't cluck it out, you might still end bad.
Please note: I know what you are trying to say, and I agree that this "new system" with the popularity contest is even worse. But a person must be able to sell oneself in most of the cases, because good managers that really know who is doing what and reward it properly... they are very, very rare.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
modified 6-May-21 10:10am.
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Unfortunately, large companies sometimes work that way too. Not often within groups, but between groups.
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10Pines and then there was none..
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin is opening up a seat on its first flight to space, with an auction to snag the only spare ticket for one lucky would-be astronaut. 100km up - not exactly the "final frontier"
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A Windows Defender bug creates thousands of small files that waste gigabytes of storage space on Windows 10 hard drives. Can't attack a drive if it's full, can you? Brilliant!
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It sounds different from one I noticed recently, which is that Windows log files were building up. I let my disk cleaner purge them, but more of them would just be generated. Then nothing for a while, and then they started to accumulate again. Lately, nothing. 
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A series of Instagram ads run by the privacy-positive platform Signal got the messaging app booted from the former’s ad platform, according to a blog post Signal published on Tuesday. The ads were meant to show users the bevy of data that Instagram and its parent company Facebook collects on users, by... targeting those users using Instagram’s own adtech tools.
You can tell how much farsebook really cares about transparency by what happens when someone attempts to apply it to them.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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A sign of desperation.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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More likely a sin of a junior person making a bad call. This is probably going to get >100x the attention that the actual ad buy would have.
Couldn't happen to a more deserving company. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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I wasn't talking about Signal being the desperate one
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Neither was I.
The best thing farsebook could've done was to ignore it completely.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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cheers
Chris Maunder
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Dan Neely wrote: The best thing farsebook could've done was to ignore it completely.
exactly...
As you said... now is going to get way more coverage by media and mouth to mouth by people
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Yes, Streisland in full effect.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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