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sasadler wrote: I only use Edge on one website.
I have a healthcare site that will not work on FireFox.
When I attempt to login, it tells me that the ID doesn't exist.
But that isn't true, of course. It's very odd that it tells me a totally incorrect error and doesn't just fail some other way.
I use Brave (chrome-based) and then the site works perfectly fine.
Edge is chrome-based also.
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Vivaldi is based on chrome too but it doesn't work.
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sasadler wrote: Vivaldi is based on chrome too but it doesn't work
Interesting. I wonder what it is on these browser that fails.
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Are they using those to warn user when they picked a common password which is among those 30k? The real question is, why aren't those common password saved in a condition which is sorted alphabetically? What a waste of computing resource.
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I think one of the issues with AI is that it has difficulty deciding where problems and solutions start and end. As it's knowledge base is exhausted on a particular line of questions, it gets more desperate and retrieves more obscure and unreliable information.
The world GO champion retired a few years ago after being beaten repeatedly by AI. It was encouraging to see that an amateur has now found a flaw and can beat all the GO AI using an "encircling" strategy. The AI is too preoccupied with its "inner game" to see the big picture (probabilities versus possibilities)
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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How frequently does the AI knock the table over?
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Emotions aren't programmed into the system; we see only emotion because it is repeating our answers with the most weight.
Also, some parts are definitely Eliza-like responses. It is a search engine to look into past replies that might be appropriate, but not AI as in "thinking".
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: As it's knowledge base is exhausted on a particular line of questions, it gets more desperate and retrieves more obscure and unreliable information.
It is merely repeating. Intelligence implies creativity. It cannot even cope with follow up questions decently in the public version. It's a search-engine and it scrapes sites, combined with a chatbot. Sounds intelligent, but is as intelligent as your average politician.
Chat OpenAI wrote: I ask: who is Gerry Schmitz?I'm sorry, but I don't have enough information to identify a specific person named Gerry Schmitz. Could you please provide more context or details about who this person is or what they are known for? That way, I may be able to provide a more accurate answer.I ask: from CodeProject?Gerry Schmitz appears to be a member of the CodeProject community, which is a community of developers who share their knowledge and expertise on software development and related topics. According to his profile on CodeProject, Gerry Schmitz is a software engineer and consultant with extensive experience in various aspects of software development, including programming languages, software design, databases, and more. He has also contributed numerous articles and tutorials on software development to the CodeProject website over the years.I ask: who is Eddy Vluggen?Eddy Vluggen is a software developer, blogger, and community member of various software development websites and forums. He has contributed to websites such as CodeProject and Stack Overflow, where he has shared his knowledge and expertise on topics such as C#, SQL Server, and software design. Eddy Vluggen has also written several articles and tutorials on software development and related topics, and he is known for his passion for coding and his dedication to helping others in the software development community.
My "contributions" to SO are limited to a few remarks, yet still the system thinks I'm a major contributor. I should change my CP Profile to include the honorary "Conqueror of the Moon, and First God of Mars", as the AI would simply accept it at face value.
And yes, you read that right; you appear to be a member. We're still debating that one. So, it is unsure about your member status, but quite sure that I contributed a lot on SO!
In what country does that constitute as "intelligence"? It takes you 5 minutes on Google to verify whether you're a member and what I did on SO. AI eh?
There is absolutely no proof of any intelligent life at all anywhere in the entire observable universe.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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This is the sort of thing I was alluding to in a discussion on the topic last week, summarizing it as little more than a parlor trick that BS artists get away with (given a sufficiently gullible audience) - once you know how it works, you realize it's rather dumb.
Whoever downvoted me for it...well, you know who you are.
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dandy72 wrote: summarizing it as little more than a parlor trick that BS artists get away with
Well, yeah. That's what it is.
And it is all over the news, AI will change "everything"! Technological singularity in a few years!
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Well, yeah. That's what it is.
And I was raked over the coals for calling it just that, a parlor trick. I'm glad someone agrees.
It might seem rather good as putting sentences together, and even making claims sound plausible. But there's no hint of any sort of comprehension on its part whatsoever.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: And it is all over the news, AI will change "everything"! Technological singularity in a few years!
In comparison of course how many self driving cars do you see parked on your street right now?
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Additionally, an AI isn't likely to [create a new play in the style of Shakespeare] (for instance) unless someone asks it to. It's not spontaneous or innovative.
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The victory, while sweet, will be brief. 
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: The victory, while sweet, will be brief
Some podcast I was listening to recently claimed something along the lines of "...every percentage point of market share Bing gains represents an extra $2B of income for Microsoft".
So if Microsoft gets even a tiny fraction of Google's searches moving to them permanently, that investment in ChatGPT is going to pay off tremendously.
So from that perspective, even if, in the long run, ChatGPT comes and goes, it makes a lot of sense for MS to at least manage to remind people that Bing exists.
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I'd be interested to know if that is causal or correlated and to dig in a little. I'm just not seeing how those numbers work given Microsoft's search and ad revenue was 2.9B last year. A 1% change in Bing usage could happen to be caused by more people using Windows, which generates revenue, rather than Bing use driving revenue itself.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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The way it was framed is that 1% of the global search market represents $2B (and from your figures, I guess we're supposed to conclude Bing owns 1.5% of it?) I have little reason to doubt that as being accurate.
So if Bing's revenue was $2.9B last year, $2B represents roughly 2/3 of MS's search revenue. Meaning, if MS's share of the global market went up an additional percentage (of that global market), MS would be seeing a 66% growth of what they're already getting, which would be nothing short of phenomenal.
Are there more people using Windows? I doubt it; the market's saturated, and (IMO) more and more people are moving away from Windows as they find out all they need is their phone (where MS isn't a player at all).
However, if people start doing their searches through Bing (because it's returning results from ChatGPT) regardless of where they're coming from (Android or iOS phone or tablet, or a Windows desktop)...and decide to stick with it...then there's plenty of room for growth (and really, where else can Bing go but up?)
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All good points. I'd argue that revenue from search is more than just display ads (which is in a race to the bottom) and it's more about controlling the conversation and directing the buying decision to your other products, but that's harder to quantifying so absolute dollar amounts are at least comparable between orgs.
You mention people moving away from Windows and I feel that's an easy problem to fix by focussing on the customer, coming up with a name that can be verb'd, and stopping this stupidity.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: You mention people moving away from Windows and I feel that's an easy problem to fix by focussing on the customer
After MS pulled the plug on their phones, they stated they're no longer necessarily interested in keeping people on Windows (as that strategy clearly wasn't working, at least as far as their phones were concerned), but rather, they were going to their customers instead, "wherever they may be", whether that's on Android or iOS or Linux or, yes, even Windows.
Someone on Android changing his default search engine to Bing, because it provides ChatGPT results, would definitely be a big win from MS's perspective. It remains to be seen whether there's enough people to do just that. Depends on how easy it is--"path of least resistance" type of thing.
Chris Maunder wrote: coming up with a name that can be verb'd,
"Bing it" definitely isn't as catchy...
Chris Maunder wrote: and stopping this stupidity.
Oh, gawd...
Marketing people at MS "experimenting". I say, fire the whole lot, and anyone else while they're at it who thinks of Windows as an "ad-delivery platform".  That's exactly how I'm going to end up bailing on them and going to Linux.
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Finally hit 100K today, not that I was looking for it ... here is to the next milestone... ![Java | [Coffee]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif)
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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I added some five stars to push you over
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Thank you! I have an article that I am finishing that would have push me that extra bit ... just need to finish writing it up.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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Me too, I have new articles, but someone hit me with 1 star right when i posted... Makes me not want to publish here
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M@dHatter wrote: I have new articles, but someone hit me with 1 star right when I posted...
Once you get higher votes, it will get ignored by the scoring system.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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