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I feel above average compared to my workmates, but I definitely feel far below average compared to the majority of the codeproject community....
Sometimes, I feel so disappointed to be part of a team where nobody (except me apparently) is interested in learning new things, writing neat code, trying to do some analysis and documentation before coding, and trying to be as professional as possible....
I wish there would be an great soft guy in my team with whom it would be great to work with and to learn many things....
Fortunately, there is CodeProject !!!
Jerome
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Jerome Conus wrote:
Sometimes, I feel so disappointed to be part of a team where nobody (except me apparently) is interested in learning new things, writing neat code, trying to do some analysis and documentation before coding, and trying to be as professional as possible....
Your not alone my friend, but hopefully I'll be getting a new job soon, where this will change.
R.Bischoff | C++
.NET, Kommst du mit?
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ditto to all above
- Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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Soliant wrote:
hopefully I'll be getting a new job soon
I was also looking for another job, which is not easy these days, and I found a very good opportunity. In two or three months, I'll be in another company, part of another team !!
I'm looking forward to it !
Jerome
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I understand what you are inferring as well.
If I was asked how I compare myself to other CPers I know, I'd call myself below average. But in reality I find the work force choked up with people who can't even use pointers.
Regardz
Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign'
Rob Manderson wrote:
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Colin Davies wrote:
in reality I find the work force choked up with people who can't even use pointers.
Most of my teammates started computer programming with DOS, and never evolved to Windows, or any modern OS, programming.
When I suggest them to use a database instead of lots of text files or when I suggest to build graphical tools to automatize the use of homemade DOS commands with hundreds of parameters, they just have no idea how this could save us lots of time and lots of frustration !!!
So I end up write these tools for myself, without the green light from my boss...at the end, when the tool is done, my boss just acts like he always wanted to do such a tool (even more powerful of course), but never had time to do it...
I used to find it frustrating, but now, I prefer to laugh about all that
Jerome
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I'd consider myself below average to most of the CP contributors too. It would be great to work with some of these guys in a team because I think I'd learn a lot.
The people I work with are just too young and inexperienced for me to learn anything new from. I find myself teaching them rather than learning from them.
Michael
The avalanche has started, it's too late for the pebbles to vote.
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I could only dream of having CP people to work with. Personally I am just in the process of learning C++ and I wish there was someone around to help out but being the senior developer I'm SOL
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and I can figure out how to do it better.
Problem is, with most of the people I've worked with, that isn't too difficult.
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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Curse the NDA's. I'd *love* to show you some of the code we have... especially hacks to get around problems with Windows APIs...
You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.
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Saved by the NDA!
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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I have decided to leave all my real, genius coding to my own time. That way, when I use it for the client, it is on a basis of goodwill, and although they will gain financially from it, I can still share it.
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I'm the thread, HAL, and memory management guru around the place, and one of the performance tuning experts.
Don't even bother asking me to write GUI code though, I'll just stare at you blankly. There are a whole bunch of people around that are better at than than I am.
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At Symantec there truly were godlike programmers there - one of them was the guy who wrote the first version of EMM386. So in their presence I was like Wayne Campbell, "I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!"
--Mike--
The Internet is a place where absolutely nothing happens.
-- Strong Bad
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Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
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Did you enjoy working with a person like that?
I think that I would like to have that opportunity someday.
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!
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I didn't actually work with him, however we did do code reviews a couple of times (when I had to add some NEC PC-98 related hacks into his stuff) and he was a supremely nice guy.
--Mike--
The Internet is a place where absolutely nothing happens.
-- Strong Bad
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My really out-of-date homepage
Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
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who wrote the first version of EMM386
The DR DOS version, or the MS DOS version? The DR DOS version rocked, the MS DOS version sucked. Just sitting there, the MS DOS version slowed the machine down so much we couldn't use unbuffered 8250 serial I/O chips at 38400 bps. And the machine we were testing on was FASTER than the DR DOS machine. Of course, we discovered this a couple days before a major demo, and had to scramble to use the new 16550 chips (which had bugs in them too!)
Ah, the good 'ol days.
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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Marc Clifton wrote:
The DR DOS version, or the MS DOS version?
Not sure (I didn't get into PCs until 1995). Whichever one was made by Quarterdeck.
--Mike--
The Internet is a place where absolutely nothing happens.
-- Strong Bad
1ClickPicGrabber - Grab & organize pictures from your favorite web pages, with 1 click!
My really out-of-date homepage
Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
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That would be the DR DOS version then! Cool!
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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"cow-orkers". Dilbert fan, I presume?
You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.
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Michael Dunn wrote:
At Symantec there truly were godlike programmers there - one of them was the guy who wrote the first version of EMM386. So in their presence I was like Wayne Campbell, "I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!"
That must have been an nice environment to work in (possibly?), interesting none the less. Were they great simply through experience and/or was there extensive educations (Masters, PhD's, etc.) invlolved?
Nick Parker
The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything. - Theodore Roosevelt
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Nick Parker wrote:
That must have been an nice environment to work in (possibly?)
It really depended on the people. When I first started working there as a QA engineer there was a real divide between QA and dev. I had to learn on my own back then, since the other folks on the QA team were as green as me.
Once I got a job in dev, I always made sure to go talk to the QA guys from time to time (it helped that by that time, the teams weren't physically separated, my cube was in an area with lots of QA guys) to try and prevent that divide from building back up.
For a while we had a rec room with a pool table, and I met more guys there than during normal work. The NU and NAV teams didn't really mingle that much, and forget about the Mac guys, they were off in their own world.
Nick Parker wrote:
Were they great simply through experience and/or was there extensive educations (Masters, PhD's, etc.) invlolved?
Experience, definitely. I don't recall any of the coders having more than an undergrad degree, and another guy who was hired right after me had just finished high school (his programming experience was that good).
--Mike--
The Internet is a place where absolutely nothing happens.
-- Strong Bad
1ClickPicGrabber - Grab & organize pictures from your favorite web pages, with 1 click!
My really out-of-date homepage
Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
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Why is it you consider yourself way above average? What ability or skill do you have that makes you way above average? And what do you consider average? Just curious.
Todd Smith
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My ability to Anticipate, Design, Innovate, Plan, and Reuse code compared to the other developers.
Anyone can learn how to program, can you learn how to program effectively?
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!
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The ability to think.
Marc
Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator. Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"
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