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Conversely, many French waiting staff get nothing unless customers leave tips.
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I was told some years ago (by my French colleague), that tipping is no longer expected in France as service is included in the bill.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: tipping is no longer expected in France as service is included in the bill
...If not in the actions of the waiting staff... 
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Really?
The clever b*st*rds never informed me!
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You're a European, they thought you knew.
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No tiping here in Spain (neither in Catalonia)... at least not as it is understood in other countries in which the tip is a specific % of the global cost.
Here we give tips only if the service have been special in any sense (a nice detail on the people who served, a good relationship with them...).
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If you leave a tip in China, they'll run down the road after you to give you the money you'd "forgotten" -- and this is in places where they get paid next to nothing.
I always feel ashamed at not being able to demonstrate that I appreciate the effort they put in, but it embarrasses them if you try to make them keep the money, and that's the exact opposite of what I want to do.
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What annoys me is London cabbies expecting a tip.
You went via the longest, slowest route you could think of, and you expect me to pay you extra? Go Elephant yourself...
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OriginalGriff wrote: cabbies expecting a tip
That annoys me as well. I have seen that happen here in the States, usually in the bigger cities.
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That's because you were paying tourist rates!
Popular myth - black cabs do not go long routes to top up their income. Getting you there as quickly as possible is what its all about, and on to the next job.
Jesus, you even get a rant about Ken Livingston thrown in for free - what more do you want?
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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I guess it is culture thing. I personally feel one is paid to do the job. If he does it good, employer gives raise/promotion. I mean I do not expect the client to give me tips if I write some good code.
Here in India, it is your choice. You want to give, you don't it does not matter.
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d@nish wrote: I do not expect the client to give me tips if I write some good code.
I used to send them an email saying "Hey, where's my tip dude, that's awesome code in there". Sadly my code never worked properly.
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Slacker007 wrote: As in tipping the service staff, be it at a hotel or at a restaurant.
Wait people here get taxed at 15% of their food sales and make very little in wages so depend almost solely on tips so I tip well, ex used to be a hell of a wait person but if they don't do a good job I also don't leave them a good tip. In fact if they are piss poor I leave them a quarter which is an insult, but only had to do that a couple of times.
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Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead?
Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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Not only cultural, also specific to a trade. When is the last time you closed IE and had the feeling that you needed to tip the programmer?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Not only cultural, also specific to a trade. When is the last time you closed IE and had the feeling that you needed to tip the programmer?
Agreed, and very good point. I failed to mention this point, in my original post.
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While I have no specific issues with tipping for good service, it's annoying that it's expected (at least here in the US). But what REALLY gets me is that restaurants can pay less than minimum wage (which is itself a joke) because the server is expected to receive the additional earnings (which have to be reported to the IRS) in tips.
The Federal minimum wage for non-tipped workers is $7.25, but for tipped workers is $2.13! (source[^])
It's yet another thing that pisses me off about government, business owners, and our so-called "market economy" system.
And yet, we all (including me) don't do anything about it.
Marc
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Slightly off-topic: This handy infographic shows a brief summary of the tipping etiquette of various countries.
What is this talk of release? I do not release software. My software escapes leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake.
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The meaning of the tip is "I am so happy that you deserve more".
It is an act of appreciation and respect, not for the person, but for his exceptional work.
When tip is mandatory (like in Canada), then its purpose is corrupted.
And so, Canada is no different than Japan. Since in both case you have no way to really show your respect for the work, and the waiter no way to get the feedback. (In Canada, except if you give more than the mandatory, which is already 10% of the bill)
I like to have the choice to give, to keep intact the original purpose of my act.
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I don't normally have that many, and today I've already had two! Woah, It's a good day! 
But to get to the point: I've been thinking about the Scottish issue that everybody keeps raving about! Whereas I generally support peoples right to live as they choose, I can't help but think that the Scottish are being very selfish in this respect.
It really is not all about them. A decision of independence will have massive effects on the government budgets in EVERY single other country around the world... Why, you ask? Because they will have to rewrite and republish all the Geography school books in different colours... 
Is it really worth it? To paraphrase Homer Simpson: If something is a lot of work to do, it's not worth doing...
Slàinte! I'll stop thinking for today now... 
[serious for a moment] Good luck to everybody involved no matter how it turns out... [/serious for a moment]
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
modified 18-Sep-14 5:12am.
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Agreed the whole world should be allowed a vote. Could take a while to count them all though.
And what about the extraterrestrials that visit Scotland from time to time, their maps will be affected too. Perhaps the whole universe should get a vote. 
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Johnny J. wrote: that some of the Scottish are being very selfish
FTFY
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Wait!!! stop the printers!!!
We, Catalans, are almost getting it... at least don't print everything two times...
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In Star Trek, there are no countries, and there's no money.
Everyone sees that as the perfect way to live, the ultimate in human society, but everyone's too stupid to even consider changing their ways to make its eventual implementation possible.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
In Star Trek ... there's no money. |
Um...
Gold Pressed Latinum[^] (Ferengi)
In The Trouble with Tribbles" Uhura offers to buy a Tribble for 10 credits (implying some form of currency in use in the Federation).
And in "Errand of Mercy" Spock estimates that Starfleet has invested over 122,200 credits in his training as a Starfleet officer.
Gawd, but I'm a nerd sometimes... 
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Ah, but it's made clear that they only use (alien) money when dealing with alien races. Roddenberry was very strict on the idea of there being no Earth currency.
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