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Plastic? How quaint.
You don't get NFC payments there yet? 
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I found that very confusing. Table service is one thing, but if you go up to a bar and get a beer it seems you are still supposed to tip. I suppose some people are better at getting a bottle out the fridge than others.
Hey have 15%!
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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As someone mentioned above, it's just a culture thing. But I agree tipping bartenders seems a bit OTT.
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Oh I dunno - when I did bar tending, I used to appreciate them!
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That makes me think of Felinfoel and Brains!
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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Bar staff get a dollar per round.
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Agreed. Our party were held at cleaver point edge at a restaurant in the US by the whole kitchen staff, until the person paying the bill explained why the tip he gave wasn't the correct amount.
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RossMW wrote: as service personnel are paid adequately and not having to rely on tips for their income.
Here in the states, it is probably either greed or not getting paid adequately. However, when I tip, I don't consciously think about that. I tip purely on the level of service I received.
I would like visit New Zealand someday; it is on my life's bucket list.
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Everyone's welcome. Only problem with NZ is it a long way to go and conversely a long way for us to get anything (except Aussie, which most NZers are very familiar with)
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Conversely, many French waiting staff get nothing unless customers leave tips.
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I was told some years ago (by my French colleague), that tipping is no longer expected in France as service is included in the bill.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: tipping is no longer expected in France as service is included in the bill
...If not in the actions of the waiting staff... 
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Really?
The clever b*st*rds never informed me!
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You're a European, they thought you knew.
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No tiping here in Spain (neither in Catalonia)... at least not as it is understood in other countries in which the tip is a specific % of the global cost.
Here we give tips only if the service have been special in any sense (a nice detail on the people who served, a good relationship with them...).
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If you leave a tip in China, they'll run down the road after you to give you the money you'd "forgotten" -- and this is in places where they get paid next to nothing.
I always feel ashamed at not being able to demonstrate that I appreciate the effort they put in, but it embarrasses them if you try to make them keep the money, and that's the exact opposite of what I want to do.
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What annoys me is London cabbies expecting a tip.
You went via the longest, slowest route you could think of, and you expect me to pay you extra? Go Elephant yourself...
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OriginalGriff wrote: cabbies expecting a tip
That annoys me as well. I have seen that happen here in the States, usually in the bigger cities.
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That's because you were paying tourist rates!
Popular myth - black cabs do not go long routes to top up their income. Getting you there as quickly as possible is what its all about, and on to the next job.
Jesus, you even get a rant about Ken Livingston thrown in for free - what more do you want?
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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I guess it is culture thing. I personally feel one is paid to do the job. If he does it good, employer gives raise/promotion. I mean I do not expect the client to give me tips if I write some good code.
Here in India, it is your choice. You want to give, you don't it does not matter.
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d@nish wrote: I do not expect the client to give me tips if I write some good code.
I used to send them an email saying "Hey, where's my tip dude, that's awesome code in there". Sadly my code never worked properly.
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Slacker007 wrote: As in tipping the service staff, be it at a hotel or at a restaurant.
Wait people here get taxed at 15% of their food sales and make very little in wages so depend almost solely on tips so I tip well, ex used to be a hell of a wait person but if they don't do a good job I also don't leave them a good tip. In fact if they are piss poor I leave them a quarter which is an insult, but only had to do that a couple of times.
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Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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Not only cultural, also specific to a trade. When is the last time you closed IE and had the feeling that you needed to tip the programmer?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Not only cultural, also specific to a trade. When is the last time you closed IE and had the feeling that you needed to tip the programmer?
Agreed, and very good point. I failed to mention this point, in my original post.
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While I have no specific issues with tipping for good service, it's annoying that it's expected (at least here in the US). But what REALLY gets me is that restaurants can pay less than minimum wage (which is itself a joke) because the server is expected to receive the additional earnings (which have to be reported to the IRS) in tips.
The Federal minimum wage for non-tipped workers is $7.25, but for tipped workers is $2.13! (source[^])
It's yet another thing that pisses me off about government, business owners, and our so-called "market economy" system.
And yet, we all (including me) don't do anything about it.
Marc
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