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well said friend you r quite right about MS release technologies so fast. List we just start using vs 2008 in past 6 month and now vs 2010 is coming 
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Which is fine - 2008 and now 2010... the historical fact is - code you got working in 2008 might not recompile/work in 2010. Which makes it's so you aren't building on what you learn, you're too often scrapping what you had figured out.
I like to figure out new stuff... say I write a cool app that does XYZ... I should be free now to write a new application that does something different without being forced to constantly revisit and rework, retest the XYZ thing every "iteration" "product release" because someone else dictates as much.
I was an old turbo pascal developer years ago when Borland had a lot of awesome engineers writing their stuff. I left all that for Microsoft technology. Now, there is a language called freepascal which is pascal but it's completely object oriented like delphi, compiles on iphone, mac, linux, unix, dec alpha, nintendo and various embedded systems - and the API's have pretty much stayed backwards compatible and there even is a complete GUI IDE environment - where you write a gui once and it works on all the above OS's if they have a GUI system... even FreeBSD and OS/X for the people who really don't like change LOL. It even has a Delphi compatible mode where its like 99% dead on compatible with Delphi making delphi programs capable of compiling on other hardware and operating systems (when the code isn't to OS specific e.g. tons on win32 calls)
I wrote a web server with it that blows the doors off of IIS, apache and Lighttd - and unlike java's pcode - (java is not really compiled) - freepascal compiles to binary on every platform it supports. It's as fast and in many cases faster than microsoft's C++ stuff and runs circles around .net for speed.
I've used that language for years and it's funny - people still think pascal is a learner's language and they don't seem to know its object oriented. I've been heckled over my admiration for it often - but I laugh when my code runs faster and on more platforms than any other system I know (that does binary). Java does good for portable scripting, as does python, php and I think Ruby is honerably in the scripted/portable solution ranks now.
Ah well - the fact is - I'm an enthusiast and I love coding, I just like to build on what I've done and not have to start over each each year or two - especially because most decent software projects I write take a year or more to complete (the thinkstuff anyways).
--Jason
Know way too many languages... master of none!
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JasonPSage wrote: Code I wrote 10 years ago on Unix still runs on Unix and Linux today. Code I wrote two years ago is already "outdated" in Microsoft Circles...
It's only a recent issue IMO, but yeah I totally agree. They're overdoing it. I don't see a real huge boost to productivity overall either compared to what I saw in the VB6 days.
Oh be careful with saying anything wrong about MS here. The kiddies are lurking. 
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Well i am agree with you but, frankly i didn't like my code to be working after 10 or 15 years 
If our code works after that much time we will soon to be work less 
Think about this if your car work very good after 20 years you may not buy new one.
Every product should have there life span. Just my opinion 
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The Microsoft ODBC technologies that have worked for years don't even work anymore on the new systems...
Really? I think you wrote this without thinking. It works for me.
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So, help me on this one.
I have a legacy vb6 application that does all kinds of awesome things on ODBC databases. I've heard about and read about and seeked and search for MDAC8, as it's supposed to work on Vista. Have you had luck with this?
Further more, on the 64bit roll out of Vista, how do you proceed?
I'm not trying to be smart here - I haven't had any luck here and became frustrated.
There are literally tens of thousands of lines of tried and true code that allows me to copy databases from one to another like sharepoint but its easier. I can use it to monitor multiple databases remotely, launch programs and scripts when systems go down/connectivity lost, and likewise when it returns. I can monitor 250 databases with it... I can literally connect oto oracle, copy the entire datamodel to multiple target databases of different platforms, then export data models to excel, mysql, postgres, import and export to text: you name it... etc etc. It's a pretty awesome utility.... I'd hate to chuck it, rewriting it isn't really an option. It took on/off development over five years to get it where it is: its quite mature.
Know way too many languages... master of none!
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Yes, ODBC 32-bit works normally on Windows Vista x64.
x64 applications works as well, only I tried only with SQL Server.
But everything works as normal.
I'm talking about C++ and ODBC API here. Not sure how VB6 is affected by MDAC.
I'm sure there is a MDAC 2.8 I think for 64-bit - I dont know if there is ODBC x64 support.
You can run application in 32-bit mode, even if is x64.
On Vista, I bet there's something related to UAC. You may try to read/write ODBC config files or so and you get all kinds of access denied or so errors, I don't know.
But this can be easily overcome by writing Vista specific code, or devising a CoCreateInstanceAsAdmin code sequences when UAC is needed. My 0.02.
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Thanx for the response. I haven't much luck here - but I could try again.
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Everytime I INVEST time and energy into a Microsoft Product, they discontinue it just as I'm mastering it.
I'm mastering Windows API. (I try to do so every day since 1996). And that's not outdated.
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I don't understand why have you received several 1 votes for saying that you don't have a plan to use it?! What are they trying to tell? Like.. You *must* use it? So, let me repeat: "I am never planning to use SharePoint".
You cannot just convey your opinion without these idiots graying your post? Some people are just completely screwed up. 
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: You cannot just convey your opinion without these idiots graying your post?
I haven't voted, but IMHO he did not express any opinions in his post - he merely made his vote public.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: I haven't voted, but IMHO he did not express any opinions in his post - he merely made his vote public.
And how does that justify the ACs acting like children?
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I like the concept of it and seeing it is a 'product' it is not bad at all however:
- in order to use it well, you need customizations and a very good setup. (it's still missing features.)
- you need to have designated people maintaining it.
- it's not always that fast.
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I agree with your comment about Sharepoint.
Know way to many languages... master of none!
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V. wrote: Stop smoking so you can: Enjoy longer the money you save.
How do you enjoy money that you save. If you enjoy your money then you need to be spending it. Unless you save your money in a hole in your mattress then you might enjoy it in another way  .
Vita est usquequaque virtus victus ut plenus. Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!
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We built a significant SharePoint (WSS 2.0) Portal Server for a customer project about 4 years ago. The customer never bought, so we started using it internally.
While all of the criticisms of SharePoint I've read seem to have elements of accuracy, in our organization, several hundred engineers have come to rely on it for daily functions.
With very little customization we're using it effectively to support Scrum for software development, ITIL Incident and Problem management and general collaboration.
In our Scrum use we've created three custom templates (one for the Product Team Site, one for the Sprint, and one for Customer meetings).
Does it do everything we want? No. But applying a Lean Six Sigma Pareto analysis to common collaboration problems, we solved a good 80% of our needs in about 2 hours of template work just using the GUI.
We have done some work on custom web parts and I have found that to be functional object model, but then my idea of "bad programming environment" is Clipper, on a Z-184, in a tent in a Shamal in Saudi Arabia.
All in all, we find it useful, and will continue to extend and expand our use.
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I'd be very interested in finding out how you use sharepoint for scrum.
Is it a certain template? Where can you find it? Did you do custom dev on it in order to get it to work?
Do you need a certain version of sharepoint?
Any information on this would be great.
Many thanks.
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We used SharePoint 2003 because that was the install available.
We made three custom templates using the SharePoint GUI, no custom programming.
We created Product Site template based on a Team Site. This contains Product persistent artificats, the Product Backlog, the Failure Mode Effects Analysis (FMEA, its an LSS tool) and some other things that are Product centric.
We created a Sprint Template based on a Meeting Workspace. This is where we put the Sprint Backlog and the artificat the Team uses for Scrum working inside a Sprint. We have lists for Since Last, Before Next, Obstacles and Burn Down that get updated at each Scrum (we have distributed Scrum teams, so this is really, really helpful). Other lists include Sprint Tasks (things that need to happen to deliver the Sprint Features), Sprint Events (planning meetings for key dates), Sprint Documents (non code things, all code goes in TFS), and Lessons Learned (we're pretty serious about continuous learning, so each Sprint has a Lessons Learned activity that is deliberate and recorded).
We created a "Gap Week" site which we use between Sprints as Product Training \ Sprint Planning support. We aren't able to devote a team to a product for more than one or two Sprints, so we've adapted the Gap Week to transition new Team members based on the expected skill sets we need, availability and the relative priority of any Product compared to all our other Products. The Gap Week allows us to train the new Team Members, review the Product Backlog, and catch up on required training or do specific technical training for the upcoming sprint. (The Gap Week started out at 5 work days, but we're looking at cutting it down to 3 in order to go faster. We think we can do this because we've done a lot of Product Domain training and now most people are familiar with most of the Products in our space.)
We created a custom webpart (programming task here) that rolls up lists from sites for consolidated views. The one we have is pretty basic and we'll probably going to Sprint our custom webparts Product later this year to make some updates.
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Many thanks for the reply.
It might be very helpful for us too 
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I love the bit about the Tent Here Here - Clipper This LOL! (I would not like that environment either) Yeah, I will say, whether I like the current "paradigm" or not - Microsoft does have a functional object model.
My biggest peeve I keep writing about however is this: If they kept one model (its abstracted right? So underlying "guts" shouldn't matter) and didn't keep reengineering the entire model each generation - it'd be much more attractive. Case and point: MSCRM 2, 3 then 4... Unnecessary "retiring" of functional objects whose inards could have been changed without changing the working model. So... Customers who invested time and money in version 3 had to rewrite a ton of stuff to make it work the same way in version four (less simple gui customizations).
--Jason
Know way too many languages... master of none!
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