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May i suggest less clutter on the site?!
I find the site Extremely usefull. But the UI is completely out of standard to any forum i've ever seen. It's extremely hard to navigate. And there are no STABLE ads. Sometimes they are UP... then on the left... then at the end of an article.
And colors change everywhere without any reason (not that i can see). There is apparent hierarchy for font sizes.
There is this thing in the upper left corner asking me to subscribe... i've done so but it keeps changing and asking again and again... i keep looking at it every time i look at the menu.
And there is this menu near the top... the green one... it seems quite similar to the one on the left, orange one... but they have some common items and then they go astray.
And that tiny ad in the bottom left, I've never clicked it... it says bullfrogpower... BUT the other font is TOO SMALL. I can't read what it says.
I've counted about 18!!! different colors that get USED... no counting the ads... some for text, some for visited links...
I understand all the ads generate revenue to keep the site up and running.
Is there any way i can change a theme or something or even pay to get rid of the ads?
NOTE: I am not a Dev. I'm actually an Architect trying to learn some C#.
modified on Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:14 PM
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basilmir wrote: May i suggest less clutter on the site?!
I think there are about 6,000,000+ people who actually like it the way it is. 
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Thank you for your reply.
I do hope someone takes what i said seriously. There are people who make their living doing interaction design.
Indeed all the information stored here is golden, too bad sometimes you have to look at it through dirty glasses.
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Who are you talking to? You replied to yourself.
Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.
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Clicked in the wrong place... i find this kind of threaded view "confusing"... i'm used to phpBB's threaded view.
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basilmir wrote: i find this kind of threaded view "confusing"... i'm used to phpBB's threaded view.
But someone who's used to the CP view may find the php one confusing! I suspect that most of us who use this site are quite happy with the way it is laid out, including colours and fonts. Any changes would just serve to confuse us and would not necessarily be seen as an improvement.
I guess the only way to find out for sure is to ask Chris to run a survey to get people's opinions.
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I'm no designer, but I certainly don't find the site hard to look at. In fact, I like many of the decisions they've made to make navigating messages easier. For example, they make high voted messages red and low voted messages grey. And you get to control how high or low of a vote puts a message into its respective category. Does it add more visual clutter? Sure, but then it also helps you to focus on the posts that others have found valuable and ignore the ones that others have found worthless. If they had chosen different colors (rather than red and gray), that might make it look more unified, but then could also confuse users. For example, if they used orange for high voted messages, people might think those were header messages of some sort, as the menus on this site use orange.
Anyway, I think the target audience of this website is mostly programmers, and programmers I think can appreciate a functional design, such as the one CodeProject presents. That being said, it does an impressive job of enforcing style across the site. Articles, for example, all use the same CSS, so most every article looks the same. This consistency makes navigating articles much easier for those of us who look through a great deal of articles.
basilmir wrote: There is this thing in the upper left corner asking me to subscribe
Wouldn't be a bad idea to get rid of that for members who are already subscribed... could even be seen as a reward for subscribing.
basilmir wrote: it seems quite similar to the one on the left
Not sure why they did this... maybe they will tell you. Maybe they just want to highlight different things in different areas to help users discover things more easily. The left menu might be targeted toward less savvy users who are not familiar with or interested in navigating popup menus. Or it may be an alternative in case a mobile phone user doesn't have the ability to open menus. Or maybe they wanted a giant orange stripe on the left site to lead to greater recognizability among readers, and they figured they might as well put something in that unused space. Or maybe they log clicks to either the left menu or top menu and are doing statistics to see which menu users prefer. Although, to be honest, I don't see a whole lot of overlap between the left and top menu.
basilmir wrote: Is there any way i can change a theme or something or even pay to get rid of the ads?
Depending on the price, I'd pay for that.
Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.
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Thank you for sharing your opinion.
I'm ALL IN when it comes to functional design. I wouldn't change a thing on the site... structurally; just change some of the font sizes and color.
I have to say i designed very few pc interfaces to date. But i've done tens of projects requiring you to nagivate through somekind of space. And there is a certain component of interface desgin that exists only in the visitors head, and it can only be designed outside visual studio.
This kind of website is similat to navigating a tree of information. It's not that hard to have this map into the visitors heads before they start, through visual cues or the use of similar design patterns in the hierarchy of objects on the site.
The sum of visual elements and their properties(that are visual) should be used to do this.
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basilmir wrote: But i've done tens of projects requiring you to nagivate through somekind of space.
Out of idle curiosity, are we talking about school projects or ones that happened in the real world?
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 Last time i checked it all happened in the real world. As for the age "issue", i guess i passed that point when you stop counting...
I wanted to make some suggestions and substantiate them with some actual know how, you know... in the "real" world, as in NOT "virtual" reality.
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Thanks for the feedback.
Threaded vs flat is a matter of taste. We prefer threaded, but there is no 'correct' choice in this.
I'm not sure what you mean by stable ads. If you mean on different pages the ads are shown in different places, then yes, because our pages are laid out differently depending on the nature of the page. Some sites have every page look absolutely identical but we have chosen not to do this. All articles are the same, all catalog items are the same, and all job postings are the same template, but they each have their own look and feel in order to make it clear that when you're viewing a job your not viewing a catalog item or an article.
We don't offer a paid subsscription to remove ads, nor do we provide themeing.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris, to help you understand what the OP is saying, I'll paraphrase:
- discard the articles
- scrap the Lounge and the Soapbox
- combine all the forums into one
- lose the ads (oh, wait - you won't have to lose the ads, because the advertisers will be MIA when they see what you've done to the site)
HTH!
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Should I put this on the TODO?
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Yep. Right before breaking into the data center, disabling the halon, and flipping the switches on the back of all your server PSUs from 120 to 240V while they're running.
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Check out this message in the Lounge. In my email, this shows up as:
For what it's worth http://ww[^]w.getpaint.net/index.html is the superlative (free) replacement for MSPaint. And you can write add-ons in .NET to do just about anything you wish.
Notice the URL ends early. This might be because the author edited his post to fix the problem, or it might be because there was a bug in the process you use to convert messages to emails. If the original message was messed up, one has to wonder how it got that way (bug in the logic when pasting URL's?). Note that Thunderbird seems to have some other funky characters, which I removed so you could see the above as I see it in my email. However, here is the source of the email, in its full glory (although I removed header information):
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">=
=0D=0A<html><head><title>CodeProject Forum Notification</title>=0D=0A<meta=
http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii">=0D=0A<style=
type=3D"text/css">=0D=0Abody,p,td,blockquote,div { font-family: Verdana,=
Arial, san serif; font-size:9pt; }=0D=0Ah2 {font-size: 13pt; font-weight:bold;}=
=0D=0Ah3 {font-size: 11pt; font-weight:bold;}=0D=0Aa {text-decoration:none;}=
=0D=0Aa:hover {text-decoration:underline;}=0D=0Ablockquote {font-style:italic;}=
=0D=0Atable {width:100%;}=0D=0A.small { color:#333333; font-size:8pt;}=0D=0A</style>=
=0D=0A</head>=0D=0A<body>=0D=0A<table cellSpacing=3D"1" cellPadding=3D"3"=
bgColor=3D"#ff9900" border=3D"0"><tr><td>=0D=0A<img border=3D"0" src=3D"http://www.codeproject.com/SiteRes/Default/Img/Std/logo225x40.gif"=
width=3D"225" height=3D"40"></td></tr></table>=0D=0A<p class=3D"small"><b><i>Do=
not hit 'reply' to this email</i></b><i>: To reply, =0D=0Aclick <a href=3D"http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3271134/Re-MS-Paint-Defaults.aspx">here</a>.</i></p>=
=0D=0A<p><b>Oakman</b> has posted a reply to your message at "<a href=3D"http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3271134/Re-MS-Paint-Defaults.aspx">The=
Lounge</a>":</p>=0D=0A<blockquote>For what it's worth <a href=3D"http://ww">http://ww</a>[<a=
href=3D"http://ww" target=3D"_blank" title=3D"New Window">^</a>]w.getpaint.net/index.html=
is the superlative (free) replacement for MSPaint. And you can write add-ons=
in .NET to do just about anything you wish. <br /><br /><div class=3D"ForumSig">Jon<br=
/><br /><blockquote class=3D"FQ"><div class=3D"FQA">Rob Graham wrote:</div>100%=
subsidies are very popular among the 50% of the population that pays no=
income tax...</blockquote><br /><br /><a href=3D"http://www.codeproject.com/Members/Soap-Box-1-0">=
Soap Box 1.0: the first, the original, reborn troll-less</a></div></blockquote>=
=0D=0A<hr color=3D"#ff9900" noshade=3D"noshade" size=3D"1" >=0D=0A<div class=3D"small"><b>Note</b>:=
This message has been sent from an unattended email box.</div>=0D=0A<div=
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I'll keep the email around in case you want me to forward it to you or something.
Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.
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It looks like they highlighted only 'http://ww' when clicking the 'link[^]' button
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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Ah, that makes sense.
Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.
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I'm 2 for 2 with it this morning in the lounge though...
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I'm also getting that, I'm finding myself having to work instead of sit in the lounge.
- Rob
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Same here. CP also seems to be going at a snail's pace. It works if I click one of the links to messages in the Lounge on the front page though.
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Thanks. I've noticed times when pages 2-N loaded but page 1 didn't but didn't think to try that...
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Unfortunately it seems I can only get page 1 threads that way...
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Same here. It's because somebody has posted a new thread, causing all of the recent threads to be on the first page.
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Now that Google has the new programming language out called go, I think it would be great if you could add a new forum for discussion about go and programming in go. More information about go can be found at: http://golang.org/[^]
Bob
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It will need to gain a bit of critical mass before CP jumps on the bandwagon. Just because somebody creates a language doesn't mean that we have to immediately go off half cocked and create a forum for it.
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